Professional or Non-Professional Subscriber for Exchange Data Fees

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by JSOP, Feb 26, 2017.

  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    If you really think the OP is just worried about this being an exchange fee issue, and has no worries about the tax consequences, then why don't you advise the OP to just pay the higher professional-trader exchange fee, and be done with it? You can't be penalized for paying more than you have to, right?

    Have you even read through this thread? Oi!

    (JSOP...just end this here. Get with the IRS and/or a CPA specializing in traders and their problems. You'll drive yourself nuts at this point by continuing here with us jamokes).
     
    #41     Feb 26, 2017
  2. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    Totally a guess, but it seems like if you go through any "incorporation" process, then you are creating an entity which would be viewed as qualification for the "professional" fee rate. But you can see by the many posts I've made that there could be arguably different interpretations. And really, I don't know who the final arbiter would be. Probably a court of law.
     
    #42     Feb 26, 2017
  3. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    But this isn't an IRS issue. His question comes down to how the exchanges interpret an individual who incorporates under his or her own name (whether they are non-professional or professional). You should tell him to contact the exchanges directly and ask the question. However, since the exchanges want every possible person to be paying the "professional" fees, he will not get an unbiased answer from them.
     
    #43     Feb 26, 2017
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    Here's the unbiased answer from the CME. Your exchange may vary.

    https://www.cmegroup.com/market-dat...it-a-to-schedule-4-non-pro-self-cert-form.pdf

    Just give it up already! If you have questions, call people and ask!!! Ackkkk!
     
    #44     Feb 26, 2017
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  5. sprstpd

    sprstpd

    #45     Feb 26, 2017
  6. JSOP

    JSOP

    Well thanks for the info. According to CME's non-pro self-certification form, I am DEFINITELY a non-professional!! Yipee!! Because its self-certification form makes it clear that a qualifying non-professional subscriber INCLUDES small business AND corporations besides "natural person" :)
     
    #46     Feb 26, 2017
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    As I mentioned, your exchange may vary. Just call them and ask! And if you have tax-status questions or whatever, call the IRS. Just ASK! Call and talk to PEOPLE! They will not bite your head off. 99% sure of that. (1% may actually be cannibals, cannot be certain). *sighs*
     
    #47     Feb 26, 2017
  8. JSOP

    JSOP

    If you read one of my previous posts, you would realize I don't report to the freaking IRS!!! I wish I do though actually believe it or not but nevertheless my question is NOT a tax one so the IRS thing is irrelevant.

    For the exchanges, I agree with Sprstpd that if I ask the exchanges, they will just tell me to subscribe as a professional because they do have an incentive that I do so regardless whether I should be considered to have "professional" status or not. And I suspect they designed their definition of "non-professional" status to be so confusing on purpose so to trick you to subscribe as a "non-professional" and then get you later to pay more using the "employed by another organization" part to accuse you of not subscribing as a "professional". Just my suspicion and I hope I am just overthinking.

    I thought since there are professional traders here so someone might know so I ask here.
     
    #48     Feb 26, 2017
  9. Overnight

    Overnight

    I apologize, I lost sight of the fact you are not USA-Based.

    That is where I got confused and forgetful. I let you down, O' Canada.

    What is the difference in the price per annum between Pro and non-Pro status on the exchange fees that you need, anyways?
     
    #49     Feb 26, 2017
  10. algofy

    algofy

    Dude a sole prop IS a natural person. Good lord.
     
    #50     Feb 26, 2017