Rand Paul - Masks are all about Submission not Science

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    #121     Dec 22, 2020
  2. jem

    jem

    They are unthinking drones who care nothing about the liberty and the pain of others being harmed by power mad politicians who refuse to address the problems directly.
     
    #122     Dec 22, 2020
  3. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Putting the whole "government power grab" argument aside, CDC just confirmed what I have said all along, the spread is mainly aerosol. Took em 9 months, but there ya go.
    Masks prevent that.

    Cramer just said Taiwan wiped it out via masks. Don't know if that's true or not, but I did see a good picture yesterday while looking at sport bikes (not for me). I think she's Taiwanese.
    She gets a pass for no mask.

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    #123     Dec 22, 2020
  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    #124     Dec 22, 2020
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    I still believe rebuilding economic activity is easier than resurrecting the dead.
     
    #125     Dec 22, 2020
  6. jem

    jem

    Would you expect cloth and surgical masks to work against droplets but
    possibly not aerosols?

    When I wear a surgical mask most of my breathing goes in and out the sides..
    instead of through the mask.

    I would suspect almost every person who wears glasses while working out becomes acutely aware of the fact most of your breathe does not go through cheap masks from china.

    I wear my contacts much more often lately.


    a. here is a theory along the line of the data we see... I am not endorsing it.

    Perhaps... the reason why there is much more spread in the cold dry air... and little spread during the warming wetter months... is that...

    in the humidity and wetter air... covid mostly or only spreads through droplets which fall to the ground quickly.

    Distancing and possibly clean masks would therefore really help prevent spread


    b. Whereas in indoors or dryer fall and winter days... if Covid spreads by aerosol because the wet air is not there to prevent it from spreading...
    Masks would not work as well unless they are n 95s.
    Distancing would not work as well if the room has a high density of aerosol floating around.











     
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    #126     Dec 22, 2020
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  7. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Bingo----cheap cloth homemade masks, painter's masks etc do absolutely nothing in my view except maybe train you to not touch your face. ---Perhaps a 600 dollar mask may provide some efficacy. Have you seen any of those recently?
     
    #127     Dec 22, 2020
  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    You guys are discussing the efficacy of masks in the politics section.

    no proper thread in the health section or in the science section.

    that should tell you something.
     
    #128     Dec 22, 2020
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  9. jem

    jem

    What?
    Most masks are a political statement because cloth and surgical masks have not been shown to have any efficacy in real studies?

    If you have good studies which show they stop the spread of covid in real life..
    go ahead and produce them.

     
    #129     Dec 22, 2020
  10. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    When you breathe you expel moisture.

    Jem we can sit here and type back and forth all day.

    I can say that if your breath is going out the side:

    1) you're not wearing it right
    2) get a better design
    and most importantly:
    3)... you've arrested its forward velocity by turning it 90 degrees. I would think it would settle on your shoulders or wherever.

    The new findings, the CDC has done a complete 180, have found our hands/surfaces are not that big of a risk. And that makes complete sense. These little bastards have to be in the air. Like pollen.

    The virus resides in body fluids (saliva/snot), the only way someone can catch it is to breathe in someone's bodily fluids. Masks substantially arrest the bodily fluids expelled through our respiratory functions. Again, I'm no bio-scientist, but this is common sense.

    As a footnote, the CDC's new findings about the risk of contracting it from surfaces being nil, is exactly what @destriero told me a few months back when I asked him his opinion on me going to the gym. He was right.
     
    #130     Dec 22, 2020
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