Re-opening Schools in the era of COVID

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Jul 13, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes... the schools were overrun by COVID. I did not make any claims if the spread occurred inside or outside the school.

    The bottom line when there is a high prevailing level of COVID in the community then opening schools is a losing proposition. After opening, it will only be a short time before you cannot staff a school because the teachers are susceptible and are out sick. The children may only get minor cases (generally) but if they show up at school while positive it will generally lead to the entire class having to spend the next 14 days remote in most school districts in N.C. Between the lack of staffing and the positive tests closing classrooms -- attempting to keep schools open with high prevailing levels of COVID in a community is a fiasco. As many schools have found out -- including a large portion of the schools in France.
     
    #821     Apr 1, 2021
  2. jem

    jem

    so... you now admit there was little to no spread in the schools... as the school system explained and you therefore again misrepresented facts.

    now you want to claim that if there is spread in the community you don't want the schools to be open.

    By the way your new theory is specious as is almost all your other quackery.


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    Keeping schools open worked in Sweden



    https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-schools-sweden-denmark-5ff88c81-67e3-4c33-8b74-fe57b9555827.html


    UNESCO estimated in March that 91.3% of the world’s students were out of school. But Swedes under 16 were not among them.

    Sweden’s iconoclastic approach was based on the belief that students faced little risk from coronavirus and far more from missing months of school.

    What they're saying: Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s chief epidemiologist, admits there were flaws in the country’s permissive approach to the virus — Sweden has a high death rate, particularly in nursing homes — but says there’s little evidence schools exacerbated the outbreak.

    • The risk to teachers was also lower than many feared.
    • While Sweden’s no-lockdown approach was shunned by its Nordic neighbors, health officials in Denmark and Norway came around to Sweden's stance on schools.
    • Both made reopening them one of their first steps out of lockdown. Neither has seen a resurgence since.
    What it looks like: Denmark has placed elementary school students in pods of around 12. They eat lunch together, play together at recess, and are taught by one teacher in one socially distanced classroom.

    • Spacing restrictions often mean staggering arrival times or even the days on which students attend.
    • Some parents were unconvinced. The Danish Facebook group "My Child Will Not Be a Guinea Pig for COVID-19" grew to 40,000 members after schools reopened in April.






     
    #822     Apr 1, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Despite school re-opening advocates trying to proclaim COVID does not spread in schools -- this is not turning out to be the truth at all. They point to a small number of studies as their "evidence" including a study of a small school system in a rural county in a U.S. state. Sadly their data sets are cherry picked and do not represent reality.

    Let's take a look at the practical reality of re-opening schools...


    Schools, day care centers blamed for rise in Wake coronavirus infections
    April 1, 2021
    https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/sc...rise-in-wake-coronavirus-infections/19606172/

    Even as more people are being vaccinated against coronavirus, more people are testing positive for the virus in Wake County.

    Nearly 3,000 people have tested positive in the county in the last two weeks, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services. That compares with about 2,660 in the preceding two-week period.

    Although restrictions have recently been eased on businesses, allowing more people into bars, restaurants, movie theaters and stores later into the night, county health officials say school and child care settings are the sources of the latest outbreaks.

    According to DHHS, at least 26 schools and day care centers in Wake County have had outbreaks in the past week, accounting for 230 cases. Most of the K-12 schools on the list are private schools.

    (More at above url)
     
    #823     Apr 2, 2021
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

     
    #824     Apr 2, 2021
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Show me the evidence that you have that shows kids get infected in school and not elsewhere.

    Show me the mortality rate of kids.
     
    #825     Apr 2, 2021
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The majority of schools in Michigan re-opened for in-person learning by March 1st after being pressed by the governor in early February to re-open.

    Let's take a look at the results... Maybe Tsing Tao can have his Twitter friends create a chart showing the Michigan school re-opening date followed by the dramatic rise in COVID cases across the state in both adults and children.


    COVID-19 cases spike in Michigan, fueled by infections among kids
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-michigan-cases-spike-kids/

    As federal officials warn of a potential fourth wave of COVID-19 infections, Michigan has emerged as one of the most pressing hotspots, with average daily infections now five times what they were six weeks ago.

    New data from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services shows this dramatic surge is due in large part to cases spiking among children and teenagers.

    According to state data, since February 19, average daily new COVID-19 cases among children under 10 jumped 230%, more than any other age group. The second-highest increase in infections is in the 10 to 19 age group, which saw cases rise 227%. The trends in these groups exceed that of the state as a whole.

    The rise in cases among kids has been evident elsewhere across the country. In Minnesota, people under age 20 made up nearly a quarter of reported cases in March, up from less than 15% at the end of February. Similar trends have been seen in other states as well, including Illinois and Massachusetts. According to the most recent data from the American Academy of Pediatrics, more than 64,000 new cases in children were reported nationwide between March 18 and March 25, the highest weekly total in a month.

    According to physicians and infectious disease experts in Michigan, much of the rise in pediatric cases can be linked to the reopening of schools and youth sports. State data shows more than 40% of new outbreaks (defined as two or more cases linked by place and time) have come from either K-12 schools or youth programs. But Dr. Natasha Bagdasarian, senior public health physician at the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, says social gatherings after youth sporting events are also contributing to the spread.

    "If everyone is removing their mask and going out to dinner to celebrate a big win then all of those precautions go out the door," she said. "So really, this seems to have driven this surge."

    The state allowed schools to resume contact sports on February 8, but testing wasn't mandatory for every sport. More than a month later, it tweaked that policy to mandate testing for every sport regardless of whether it's contact or non-contact, a change that will take effect Friday. Bagdasarian says that like other mitigation measures, this change has received pushback.

    While children generally are at less risk for severe cases of COVID-19, some have suffered serious illness. Some children go on to develop a condition called multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) after infection, a rare condition that may affect the heart, lungs, kidneys, brain, skin, eyes or gastrointestinal organs. As of March 1, more than 2,600 cases had been reported nationwide, with 33 deaths.

    Doctors in Michigan are concerned that the current spike in COVID infections will lead to a rise in this syndrome in the weeks and months ahead. Bagdasarian says anecdotally, that's already happening.

    Beaumont Health, Michigan's largest health care system, says it has received an uptick in MIS-C cases. Dr. Bishara Freij, chief of Pediatric Infectious Disease at Beaumont Royal Oak, says his hospital has had three MIS-C cases in the ICU last month, and eight total this calendar year. He said MIS-C cases normally lag infections by 2 to 6 weeks from their peak, fueling concerns that more are on the way.

    (More at above url)
     
    #826     Apr 2, 2021
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    2nd request
     
    #827     Apr 2, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Suicides didn’t increase during 2020 — contrary to what Republicans said to justify reopening
    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-suicides-didnt-increase/

    During the 2020 pandemic, former President Donald Trump and some of his Republican allies advocated that states must reopen because there was an outbreak of suicides due to mental health issues caused by COVID-19 restrictions.

    The numbers weren't there when Trump made the comment. Looking back now, the data for the full year reveals it was all a lie.

    "You're going to lose more people by putting a country into a massive recession or depression," Trump said in a Fox News town hall. "You're going to lose people. You're going to have suicides by the thousands."

    The day before the town hall, during a coronavirus task force briefing, Trump said, "I'm talking about where people suffer massive depression, where people commit suicide, where tremendous death happens… I mean, definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we're talking about with regard to the virus."

    Trump claimed that people were depressed over losing their jobs.

    "While Trump has been warning since March that any pandemic lockdowns would lead to 'suicides by the thousands,' several studies from abroad have found that when governments imposed such restrictions in the early waves of the pandemic, there was no corresponding increase in these deaths," Wired wrote in Oct. 2020. "In fact, suicide rates may even have declined. A preprint study released earlier this week found that the suicide rate in Massachusetts didn't budge even as that state imposed a strong stay-at-home order in March, April, and May."

    Looking back on the year as a whole, the data prove Trump was making up the story without any evidence to confirm it.

    The JAMA Network, a place that collects medical journals published by the American Medical Association, explained that the

    Screenshot_2021-04-02 Suicides didn’t increase during 2020.png

    "COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in 2020, with an estimated 345 323 deaths, and was largely responsible for the substantial increase in total deaths from 2019 to 2020," the report said. "Substantial increases from 2019 to 2020 also occurred for several other leading causes. Heart disease deaths increased by 4.8 percent, the largest increase in heart disease deaths since 2012. Increases in deaths also occurred for unintentional injury (11.1 percent), Alzheimer's disease (9.8 percent), and diabetes (15.4 percent). Influenza and pneumonia deaths in 2020 increased by 7.5 percent, although the number of deaths was lower in 2020 than in 2017 and 2018. From 2019 to 2020, deaths due to chronic lower respiratory disease declined by 3.4 percent and suicide deaths declined by 5.6 percent."

    Read the full report at JAMA.
     
    #828     Apr 2, 2021
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao


    Trumpy trumptrump! Trump.
     
    #829     Apr 2, 2021
  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    couch potatoes raised on the internet find themselves mentally unaffected by remaining on the couch and internet? I'm shocked! shocked I tell ya!
     
    #830     Apr 2, 2021