Right wing extremists more of a threat than Muslim extremists..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Nov 28, 2015.

  1. jem

    jem

    Given that you seem to be arguing that a fertilized egg is not a human being... when according to science does it become one? (please note this is not an argument about when a human being becomes a person protected by our constitution... its just me pointing out that what you said manifests a lack of understanding about what a human being is.... its not the pope who told us... its many scientists...

    I did a very quick search to help you out...

    many scientists will tell you that when 23 chromosomes from the male combine with 23 from the female come together they form a human being.

    http://liveactionnews.org/life-begins-at-conception-science-teaches/

    Scientific textbooks proclaim this fact. Keith L. Moore’s The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology (7th edition, Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003) states the following:

    A zygote [fertilized egg] is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.


    https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html
    very interesting approach to the difference between human being and human person.


    http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/when-does-science-say-human-life-begins/

    “That is, in human reproduction, when sperm joins ovum, these two individual cells cease to be, and their union generates a new and distinct organism. This organism is a whole, though in the beginning developmentally immature, member of the human species. Readers need not take our word for this: They can consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, such as Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology.” – Dr. Robert George - See more at: http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/when-does-science-say-human-life-begins/#sthash.Bbhz3GCs.dpuf

    http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/07/medical-views-when-does-human-life-begin/

    Dr. Joseph DeCook, executive director of the American Association of Pro-life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, a group of about 2,500 members, said an embryo is a living human being at the moment of fertilization.

    “There’s no question at all when human life begins,” said DeCook, a retired obstetrician-gynecologist. “When the two sets of chromosomes get together, you have a complete individual. It’s the same as you and I but less developed.”

    Pregnancy begins when the embryo is implanted on the uterine wall, he said.

    “But we’re not talking about pregnancy,” he said. “The question you have to focus on, is when does meaningful, valuable human life begin? That’s with the union of the two sets of chromosome. You have a complete human being that begins developing.”


     
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  2. jem

    jem

    a quaint rather self aggrandizing run down don't you think.

    you the Matthew Mark Luke and John were similar to the letter's Paul wrote?
    shall we go into the dates of some of the earliest texts found..

    like this one..
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/w...-of-mark-found-in-ancient-mummys-mask-132925/


     
    #22     Nov 28, 2015
  3. wildchild

    wildchild

    FutureCurrents, let me give you a bit of advise. It is better to be thought of as a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
     
    #23     Nov 28, 2015
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  4. Take it up with the author .....dipshit.




    WASHINGTON — In the 14 years since Al Qaeda carried out attacks on New York and the Pentagon, extremists have regularly executed smaller lethal assaults in the United States, explaining their motives in online manifestoes or social media rants.

    But the breakdown of extremist ideologies behind those attacks may come as a surprise. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, including the recent mass killing in Charleston, S.C., compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center.

    The slaying of nine African-Americans in a Charleston church last week, with an avowed white supremacist charged with their murders, was a particularly savage case.

    But it is only the latest in a string of lethal attacks by people espousing racial hatred, hostility to government and theories such as those of the “sovereign citizen” movement, which denies the legitimacy of most statutory law. The assaults have taken the lives of police officers, members of racial or religious minorities and random civilians.

    Non-Muslim extremists have carried out 19 such attacks since Sept. 11, according to the latest count, compiled by David Sterman, a New America program associate, and overseen by Peter Bergen, a terrorism expert. By comparison, seven lethal attacks by Islamic militants have taken place in the same period.

    If such numbers are new to the public, they are familiar to police officers. A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/u...es-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0
     
    #24     Nov 28, 2015
  5. Ricter

    Ricter

    LOL
     
    #25     Nov 28, 2015
  6. Ricter

    Ricter

     
    #26     Nov 28, 2015
  7. And just think, with cloning, duplicate humans could be grown from the hundreds of thousands of shed skin cells every day. Oh the humanity!!
     
    #27     Nov 29, 2015
  8. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    So let me ask you this...
    Your wife is 5 months pregnant and goes in for emergency appendectomy.
    The surgeon is negligent and, as a result, terminates the pregnancy.

    Is that OK with you?
     
    #28     Nov 29, 2015
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    It's somewhat, but not entirely, arbitrary but it most definitely is not at the fertilized egg stage.
     
    #29     Nov 29, 2015
  10. piezoe

    piezoe

    These hypothetical , and rather absurd examples, are not something you, or any educated person, should base their opinion on. You're talking about a mistake, an error. This is not something to base standard practice on. There is some very defective reasoning going on here.
     
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    #30     Nov 29, 2015