Risk/Reward Ratio

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by Goldlover, Jun 28, 2023.

  1. mervyn

    mervyn

    Ok, I will play along.

    sum(abs(notional)) 2021 1,675,166,167.50
    sum(abs(notional)) 2022 611,427,993.75

    Those were all cme products traded (round trip) with a popular dicount broker here. ES. MES, NQ only, if you must press notional calculation. Haven't counted other 2 accounts traded, ZN and CL too.
     
    #21     Jun 28, 2023
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  2. mervyn

    mervyn

    and don't forget the pronhub for stress relief.
     
    #22     Jun 28, 2023
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  3. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    If it’s binary then just place a 2 to 1 trade.
    You’ll win 2 or lose 1 half the time.
    That’s a 50% edge. Congrats !
     
    #23     Jun 28, 2023
  4. mervyn

    mervyn

    Or could be the opposite, lose 2 and win 1.

    Each trade is independent coin flip, normal distribution is 50/50, the fewer times you toss a coin, the more likely they will be skewed to either side, like TPO, Volume Profile strategy.

    But of course, other factors such as news, earnings, etc come into play. Asset pricings are not a normal distribution but log normal, no negatives. That's why long bets have better win rate than short bets.

    If next recession ever come, buy the dip, until then...
     
    #24     Jun 28, 2023
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  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Does that website give you Kroger's fuel points if you spend a certain amount? :p
     
    #25     Jun 28, 2023
  6. paulsfz

    paulsfz

    Not more than 25% of deposit is resonable rule, los more than 30% means closing the position, even speculation plus resistance and support lines with the efficiency at the level 30-40% and closing small loses and count big profits is able to bring you rational payout.
     
    #26     Jun 29, 2023
  7. Overnight

    Overnight

    Nobody here needs to care about the notional value of a CME product, because it doesn't matter if you're in and out of the thing all day. Or even carrying it for a time. The leverage the CME provides makes it possible so one doesn't HAVE to have the cash needed to carry the notional equivalent to trade the damned thing.

    $12,300 USD, that's the current initial requirement. Yapping on about the notional equivalent of what one "trades" is like KCalhoun going on about his cost-basis traded in stocks. Doesn't mean anything except for faux dick-size comparisons.
     
    #27     Jun 29, 2023
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  8. %%
    OK;
    so do some stuff that is not ES. Some good brokers, SCHW, disclose they are not even required to give a margin call before liquidation.
    I learned something in past 52 weeks about a margin call\ i never knew;
    TDAmeritrade founder father said in bear of 2000-2002, by the time '' some'' of his clients got FDX notice of margin call, market had turned, worked well for those . LOL.:D:D.
    No belief in a random walk could help also; so we know its not a prediction+ unknowns exit........
    Good reason to call it weather forecast + not prediction:caution:
    One can get a clue, [sure not a prediction] with trend study of 50+100 years of trends.
    I prefer less risk, but since some excellant trends, require a bit more risk=OK also.
    Thanks ; since 80% small businesses fail, be one of the 20%.
     
    #28     Jun 29, 2023
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  9. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    @mervyn said "I let my account size to buffer the drawdown"

    I was expecting him to understand his full risk while holding 1ES
    But it looks like he doesn't know nor does he really care about it.

    Since he does trade without Stop loss
    He needs 220K+ for his account size to buffer the DD

    Sure we're day traders ...
    How many Day trade turned into swing ones ?

    That's my point.
     
    #29     Jun 29, 2023
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  10. mervyn

    mervyn

    Are you sure? Have you ever held 1 ES overnight?
     
    #30     Jun 29, 2023
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