Taliban in Kabul as President Flees

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mercor, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    Yeah stuff dropped by the Afghan forces... well how do you collect that gear? You don't.

    But the really big nut was left by US forces at Bagram directly to the Taliban. That includes fully functioning warplanes and gunship helicopters, parts and ammunition for them and a even a few Afghan A&P technicians if the Taliban can find them. That will need answers but the military is going to say they were simply ordered to leave.
     
    #591     Aug 21, 2021
  2. Mercor

    Mercor

    Wearing US gear
    In one propaganda photo, members of the Badri 313 Battalion are seen hoisting a Taliban flag in a similar fashion to the six U.S. Marines who raised the U.S. flag on Mount Suribachi during the Battle of Iwo Jima in 1945.


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    #592     Aug 21, 2021
  3. They are bad actors but it is a playing field that Biden created.

    General McChrystal complained that he could not get Biden or Obama to show any interest AT ALL in military matters. He would go to brief them - very sufficiently and honestly I presume- but there just was no interest on the other end.

    And it shows in other forms too. Biden consistently cannot remember his Defense Secretary's name and stumbles and fumbles for it. Now Austen says that he did adequately brief him but Biden gets to make the call. In other words, the same scenario McChrystal ran into.

    There is always a tension between the defense department and the state department but Biden creates an extreme example of it. He has always acted as though the State Department is the lead agency so the intelligence agencies and defense are on the outside trying to get their view and influence known. Meanwhile, Blinken - who has a history of being a total disaster- is already a member of Joe's club- and Joe specializes in creating foreign affairs disasters so Blinken is his man. Blinken goes to Anchorage not having created a disaster in a few years. No problem. Anchorage meeting was a total disaster. Joe most likely was totally happy.

    Austen should resign with dignity. If not, he should commit Hari Kari later with the others.
     
    #593     Aug 21, 2021
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  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    and the COVID spread was also Biden's fault, and the mortgage crisis was Obama's fault :rolleyes:

     
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    #594     Aug 21, 2021
  5. Mercor

    Mercor

    A trained army would know not to leave weapons to the enemy

    Its takes leadership to deal with lost weapons
    July 3, 1940. After only 54 days into office, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered his Navy to take control of French ships, or destroy them if the French refused to relinquish control. What led to this unprecedented and controversial attack was a dramatic series of events that saw France being overrun by the Nazis in a matter of weeks,
    Backed into a corner and not trusting the French admiral to live up to his promise, Churchill took matters into his own hands. He launched Operation Catapult to capture the French Fleet before it returned to French waters. Churchill issued the French an ultimatum: Give up the vessels to the British, sail them to Allied ports, or face attack from the Royal Navy.

    The French stalled, hoping for the arrival of reinforcements. The deadline passed, and the British attacked with devastating force, destroying a number of French ships and killing 1,300 French sailors—more than the number of French soldiers killed by the Germans at that point in the war.
     
    #595     Aug 21, 2021
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  6. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    Its little known but an F-117 was shot down over Bosnia. Chinese agents from their embassy in Belgrade went out and purchased the wreckage from the local farmers who recovered them and hauled it all to the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

    Hours later the "accidental missile attack" on the Chinese embassy took place killing one or two staffers and destroying the remnants of the F-117 along with the entire Chinese embassy. Oops.

    Bill Clinton did that. It needed doing.
     
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    #596     Aug 21, 2021
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    Ok, so here we are with a mess - that is on Biden.

    Now the question after the evacuation is what exactly was lost?
     
    #597     Aug 21, 2021

  8. Read what the real people who know shit ........say how Trump fucked up what was easily a 'sure thing'.


    Trump officials back away from 2020 Taliban peace deal after withdrawal chaos

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    A number of former senior Trump officials have sought to distance themselves from the Taliban peace deal that was signed in February 2020, with chaos erupting after the militants took control of Afghanistan this week.

    Why it matters: The agreement has come under new scrutiny for laying the groundwork for the U.S. military's withdrawal from Afghanistan, which coincided with a sweeping Taliban offensive that ended in the fall of Kabul on Sunday.

    The big picture: The Trump administration agreed to withdraw from the country by May 1, 2021, if the Taliban negotiated a peace agreement with the Afghan government and promised to prevent terrorist groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State from gaining a foothold.

    • Biden said he had to follow through with the agreement or risk new conflicts with the Taliban in the spring, which might have required an additional troop surge into Afghanistan. However, Biden's decision to push back the withdrawal date to Aug. 31 shows that he had the ability to refashion some parameters of the agreement.
    • Biden blamed theTrump administration this week for the chaos in Afghanistan, saying the former president emboldened the Taliban and left the insurgency group "in the strongest position militarily since 2001."
    • Biden acknowledged, however, that he ultimately would have tried to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan even if Trump had not struck a deal with the Taliban, and that he saw no way to complete a withdrawal "without chaos ensuing."

    What they're saying
    Former UN ambassador Nikki Haley
    , who resigned from the Trump administration before the agreement was finalized, tweeted Wednesday: "Negotiating with the Taliban is like dealing with the devil."

    Former acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller told Defense One this week that Trump's agreement was actually a "play" to mask his administration's true intentions, which were to broker a Taliban-led government that would allow a small number of U.S. troops to remain in the country to conduct counterterrorism missions.

    • Miller's claims come despite Trump repeatedly publicly revealing his desire to end the Afghanistan War and his significant troop reductions in the final months of his administration.
    Lisa Curtis, a former senior National Security Council official who sat alongside Afghanistan envoy Zalmay Khalilzad during the negotiations with the Taliban, told AP: "The Doha agreement was a very weak agreement, and the U.S. should have gained more concessions from the Taliban."

    Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who was fired by Trump in November 2020, said he believed at the time the agreement was signed that it should have been "conditions-based," which is in part why he later objected to Trump's call for a Christmas homecoming for U.S. troops.

    • Esper told CNN that although Biden is responsible for the outcome in Afghanistan, Trump "undermined" the agreement and weakened U.S. leverage in negotiations by impatiently calling for troop reductions in the country.
    John Bolton and H.R. McMaster, two former Trump national security advisers known for their hawkish views, have lambasted both Trump and Biden for the withdrawal — though both have long been critical of the Taliban agreement.

    • "Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban," McMaster said on Bari Weiss' podcast. "This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves."
    • Bolton told CNN: "Had Trump been re-elected, he’d be doing the same thing. On this question of withdrawal from Afghanistan, Trump and Biden are like Tweedledee and Tweedledum."
    The other side: Pompeo, the only U.S. secretary of state to meet with Taliban officials in person while at the signing ceremony of the agreement in Doha in September 2020, told Fox News he does not believe the negotiations legitimized the Taliban and that the Trump administration never trusted the group to begin with.

    • Pompeo also insisted the agreement was conditions-based and that the Trump administration would have retaliated against the militant group if it did not follow through with its guarantees.
    • However, Trump in October 2020 had been calling for all troops to be home by Christmas that year. Violence in the country, primarily from improvised explosive devices, had already started surging the last few months of the Trump administration, according to the United Nations.
     
    #598     Aug 21, 2021

  9. I see. Trump signed a deal that required Biden to abandon Bagram and withdraw troops before the civilians were out and ABSOLUTELY required him to arm all the Taliban with the latest and best equipment before he left. And even though Biden is Mr. Global and is committed to never taking a dump without consulting with our allies, Trump apparently forbade him from even consulting with the aforementioned allies.

    ORANGEMANBAD!!!

    You idiots are getting your wish which is to see thousands of Americans traumatized beyond belief by our enemies. That's gotta feel good for you. It would be great if we could pack up 50,000 of you idiots and ship you off to Tabul and trade you for some pro-American Afghans.
     
    #599     Aug 21, 2021
  10. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    The Taliban has cut access to the airport completely and is confiscating US passports.

    And there it is... 10,000+ hostages.

    The administration isn't up to either real option. Its reinvasion or complete capitulation. I'm not sure how it could get worse.

    Oh yes, the Taliban set a woman on fire today for bad cooking.
     
    #600     Aug 21, 2021
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