Telegram messaging app CEO Durov arrested in France

Discussion in 'Politics' started by spy, Aug 25, 2024.

Free speech absolutism...

  1. good thing

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  2. perish the thought

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  1. spy

    spy

    I'm also a technologist and respectfully disagree... she nearly always speaks as if to a child.

    That may be deliberate though because the general electorate can be quite simple minded. It's a fine line however, since she herself ends up sounding simple minded too.

    Don't people get sick of being lied and talked down to? Remember this debacle:

    Kamala Harris Using Child Actors in NASA Video Sparks Widespread Derision
     
    #31     Aug 26, 2024
  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Yep, only the Telegram client is open source, their proprietary server-side is probably a barge of Ork shit.
     
    #32     Aug 26, 2024
  3. spy

    spy

    That's a much different story though. In this case, the French/Interpol/etc could just get a warrant and raid data centers. The big questions as I see them are...
    • is it worthwhile to try banning encryption
    • to what degree can you hold a business responsible for the actions of its patrons
     
    #33     Aug 26, 2024
  4. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Well the first part is a non-sequitur from the arrest.

    There are roughly 195 countries and they are figuring it out.
     
    #34     Aug 26, 2024
  5. spy

    spy

    Can't say I agree completely but happy to concede that it would be pointless.

    Bet you servers get shipped to the countries that have the most classically liberal rules. Not to mention, if the company servers are properly designed they'll be encrypted too (with the private keys held on end-user devices).

    It's a tough nut to crack, and IMHO that's for the better.
     
    #35     Aug 26, 2024
  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    They must know criminal details that we do not know and do not have access to the private records of their investigation.

    Criminal violations include complicity in selling child pornography and in drug trafficking, fraud, abetting organized crime transactions and refusing to share information or documents with investigators when required by law.

    Durov's detention was extended until Monday night and can be prolonged until Wednesday evening before authorities must release or charge him, the Paris prosecutor's office said.

    Durov is a citizen of Russia, France, the United Arab Emirates, and the Caribbean island nation of St. Kitts and Nevis.

    Regardless of whether he's guilty or found guilty in the courts...good riddance. Yet, if there's no prosecution evidence for any of the above criminal violations...he should be released.

    Also, I'm suspicious about the timing of the arrest because the U.S. recently gained the release of American prisoners from Russia in the biggest U.S./Russia prisoner swap exchange in post-Soviet history.

    Thus, did France just do the rest of Europe and America a big favor by arresting (capturing) this billionaire Telegram CEO from Russia who was stupid enough to travel to France?

    Now that he's arrested, could he then be used as a future prisoner swap to free other Americans or European citizens???

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-gershkovich-whelan-prisoner-swap-354df585ad321ecdbea4c0f2c557f0aa

    P.S. This guy has more passports/citizenships than a well-traveled secret agent. He reminds me of a U.S. military soldier I met recently at O'Hare airport USO services. That soldier had a stack of passports...seven deep when the customs agent asked to see his passports "before" we passed through the customs line.

    wrbtrader
     
    #36     Aug 27, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How to issue a death threat with outright saying it.

     
    #37     Aug 27, 2024
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Telegram boss banned from leaving France in criminal probe
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c985ppy0znyo

    Telegram boss and founder Pavel Durov has been placed under formal investigation as part of a probe into organised crime on the messaging app, French prosecutors say.

    Mr Durov, 39, has not been remanded in custody - but placed under judicial supervision and has to pay a €5m (£4.2m; $5.6m) deposit.

    Russian-born Mr Durov, who is also a French national, also has to show up at a French police station two times a week and is not allowed to leave French territory.

    He was first detained upon arrival at Le Bourget airport north of Paris last Saturday under a warrant for offences related to the app.
     
    #38     Aug 28, 2024
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    #40     Aug 31, 2024
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