The COVID Response Losers: Countries With Failed Leadership

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. Mercor

    Mercor

    Its good that Trump took the risk to prepay for an unproven vaccine
    It saved the freedom of the USA
    If not then Biden would lockdown this country for the whole administration
     
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    #21     Apr 23, 2021
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  2. jem

    jem

    that is an extraordinaryly good point Mercor.

    My understanding is that DARPA seeded the money for this vaccine technology when the private sector would not.



    DARPA and then Trump saved the world from the lock down loving fascists.


     
    #22     Apr 23, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let me put it for you like you're 6 years old: Restrictions go down, cases go up. Restrictions go up, cases go down. You shut down, your cases go down, you open up, your case go up. Get it now? Good. Now go sit in the corner.
     
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    #23     Apr 23, 2021
  4. jem

    jem

    Let me put it to you this way.

    What you said is so simplistic only a kid under 6 might believe that is the way to combat a virus.

    Any kid over 6 knows you let the healthy go to school and risk catching the flu and if you are worried about your grandmother... protect her better.

    Remember there is no evidence locking the healthy saved any lives. People got the virus when they got out during the second wave.

    If you are not going to extinguish the virus... a local lockdown should only be considered for a few weeks to shift the demand for ICU space.




     
    #24     Apr 23, 2021
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    blathering-about.jpg
     
    #25     Apr 23, 2021
  6. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    This is an abject lie.
     
    #26     Apr 23, 2021
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/


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    It’s said that success has many authors, and the encouraging data from Pfizer Inc.’s experimental COVID-19 vaccine had plenty of people in Washington lining up to take credit.


    Vice President Mike Pence was among Trump administration officials saying support from the government’s Operation Warp Speed program helped accelerate the development of the vaccine, which was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 infections in an interim analysis.


    The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.


    BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal to co-develop a shot to prevent against COVID-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed publicly.


    Berlin gave the German company $445 million in an agreement in September to help accelerate the vaccine by building out manufacturing and development capacity in its home market.
     
    #27     Apr 23, 2021
  8. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

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    It’s not that simple. Moderna’s partnership with the feds to develop messenger RNA technology, which its coronavirus vaccine is based on, began long before the novel coronavirus flared up. The Pentagon funded the company’s mRNA research in 2013, and the federal government gave it $125 million to develop a mRNA-based Zika vaccine in 2016. Its COVID-related work on January 13 appears to have been completed under an already existing research agreement with the NIH, according to a review by the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.


    In short, Trump didn’t swoop in to launch the Moderna-NIH COVID vaccine partnership. Rather, his administration piggybacked on an ongoing collaboration whose initial agreements were signed in—checking the fine print—November 2015. Maybe Ivanka should have added, “Thanks, Obama.”








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    Washington, DC – Today, at a hearing of the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, Congressman Bill Foster (D-IL) highlighted the work done and investments made during the Obama administration that are directly responsible for the successes of current vaccines in development. Specifically, Foster pointed to President Obama’s decision to invest in mRNA vaccine research, which is one platform being used to develop potential vaccines in record time.

    Foster said, “Heeding the advice of his scientific panel, in 2013 the Obama Administration invested $25 million through DARPA for research into the mRNA platform for pandemic response. This was followed by a $125 million investment by BARDA in 2015, so that by the end of the Obama administration, mRNA vaccines and therapeutics were being tested in both animals and humans.

    “The reasons the Obama administration prioritized mRNA vaccines and therapeutics were speed of manufacture, and potency. Without those kinds of investments, “Project Warp Speed” and current efforts to produce an effective COVID-19 vaccine as quickly as possible would not be finding success.”
     
    #28     Apr 23, 2021
  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark


    What risk? If it wasn't created The US paid nothing.

    Germany and Moderna made the vaccine off of research and technology Obama funded. Obama and Germany are responsible for the vaccine,not Trump.
     
    #29     Apr 23, 2021
  10. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Trump did nothing and is in no way responsible for covid vaccines.




    “Heeding the advice of his scientific panel, in 2013 the Obama Administration invested $25 million through DARPA for research into the mRNA platform for pandemic response. This was followed by a $125 million investment by BARDA in 2015, so that by the end of the Obama administration, mRNA vaccines and therapeutics were being tested in both animals and humans.


    Moderna’s partnership with the feds to develop messenger RNA technology, which its coronavirus vaccine is based on, began long before the novel coronavirus flared up. The Pentagon funded the company’s mRNA research in 2013, and the federal government gave it $125 million to develop a mRNA-based Zika vaccine in 2016. Its COVID-related work on January 13 appears to have been completed under an already existing research agreement with the NIH, according to a review by the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.
     
    #30     Apr 23, 2021
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