Good. Nic look at Data before the pandemic started Involving pneumonia includes pneumonia+covid. Subtracting produces 831, just pneumonia (no data on how many in age group 0-17 vaccinated for pneumonia) Now compare 831 just pneumonia to all deaths involving covid, 410 (includes all with influenza and pneumonia also) This is surprising in the midst of a covid pandemic, until you recognize that the 12-17 segment of the 0-17 had covid vaccination available; thus the lower figure (410) for involving covid in the 0-17 group likely reflects both the effectiveness of the covid vaccine and the high detah rate in 0-5 age children from pneumonia. Unfortunately we do not have data for what fraction of this group was vaccinated, but we know it is somewhat lower than the fraction of those >17 years of age... In the adult population at least, there is almost zero deaths from Covid among the vaccinated. The 0-17 group includes newborns through age 5, where the biggest killer world wide is pneumonia! Of the three common types viral, mycobacterial, and fungal, the common bacterial form is preventable via vaccination (I believe it is routine for infants in the U.S. , except for Trump supporters' kids of course.) Almost a million (high 6 figures?) kids die from pneumonia each year! Much of it should be preventable with better health care and sanitation. Please everyone, If you are not yet vaccinated, get vaccinated tomorrow! Effective, free, and super low incidence of serious side effects. So far ~ billion doses have been administered world wide.
Both sides.. .suffer from polarization by leaders. We should be following the data and having far more rational discussions... you included... with your condescending statements and pleas... ---- For instance.... I played golf with a guy yesterday... he runs pretty frequently. I saw him in the gym a lot in the past. He is built like a minor league catcher (since he was). However, he eats a lot and drinks a ton. He is strong and fat and a few years older than me. High risk imo. I would normally tell him to get the vaccine (if asked for my opinion) . He told me he was not getting the vax... I asked him why... . He told me he tested positive for delta and that it was nothing.. just a cold. He said...fuck all these guys... telling me to be vaccinated... he is quite pissed at your side for not giving credit to natural immunity... He had two reasons that.. 1. He has superior immunity for now. 2. "these fuckers don't seem to understand I just got an immune system check up by delta." He said fuck those guys.
You don't realize how crazy your reasoning is! Of course , you are right about your golf buddy, he should get vaccinated, but you are dead wrong about your own chances. Being in good physical condition has no bearing on the odds of contracting covid. The virus doesn't go around measuring peoples biceps or checking their drivers licenses to find out how old they are. If you're in good health your odds of just getting very sick as opposed to dying go up. And you coud get monoclonal antibodies if you catch it early enough. But at best, you are playing Russian roulette with the lives of those around you. How stupid is that! Your buddy is making a big mistake. PCr will show positive even in case of a few viral particles. (In theory it can detect, with enough cycles a single virus -- in practice such a low level of infection is hugely impacted by sampling error and other factors, making such low levels of detection highly unreliable. But PCR can routinely pick up very low levels of infection; levels that are not likely to engender much of an immune response. That's one reason why we find people who are infected, according to PCR, but asymptomatic. These asymptomatic people are not experiencing an immune response! Therefore they will not be immune to future infection from Covid, depending on their initial viral load. (The other reason for a lot of asymptomatic suspected infections was the early antibody quick tests that proved almost worthless. They had up to 50% false positives. They weren't specific enough for Covid-19 antibodies. (There are probably at least 1000 corona viruses. They are very common.) The reverse transcriptase PCR that is used-- looking for RNA not DNA-- doubles the amount of viral RNA present at the end of each previous cycle. The problem with PCR is that it can be too sensitive. And therefore is capable of giving a positive result even when the initial viral load is too low to induce a robust immune response. That's why the number of cycles associated with a + are usually reported (Should be!) It is also very sensitive to lab technique. sterile technique is required, and it's extremely vulnerable to contamination. It's good only in the right hands. It's the best we have, other than PCR followed up with ELISA, for example. (Excellent, but expensive!) I would not be complacent if I were you. And you should warn your golf buddy that he should not be complacent either. We didn't have these problems with other viral infections such as influenza. Because we didn't typically use PCR! So we didn't detect all those infected but asymptomatic, although the number of asymptomtic influenza "cases" is bound to be similar as for covid infections. Our routine tests for influenza are not sensitive enough to turn up most asymptomatic influenza infections. Bottom line, if you tested positive for Covid by either dipstick or PCR, but remained asymptomatic assume you are not immune to reinfection!!! The symptoms are associated with an immune response. No symptoms, no significant immune response!!!! This raises the question of whether we should even by classifying asymptomatic "infection" as infections. Doing that is quite misleading. To be classified as infected, we should require a significant immune response, and that would eliminate most asymptomatic, so-called infections. Nevertheless would useful to know accurately the number of proved asymptomatic "infections" . We have no reliable data for this. Perhaps some other nation does, but I doubt it. We have so many people that claim to have been exposed to Covid, never developed symptoms and were never tested.
you are apparently as uniformed about the statistical probabilities as to who gets severe Covid as you are about pcr tests. Severe Covid reactions are highly correlated to co morbidities and inversely related to immune system health. I am trading now so I will not pull up the studies. But everything I am about say... has been posted here. a. Studies show 96% of people in ICU have vitamin D deficiency b. 96% of people with serious Covid had co morbidities. (study was released in July and posted here. Same study and many other say as you get older the risk of severe covid goes up very quickly. c. other studies have shown correlations between being fit and not getting severe covid. d. Natural Immunity was show to be 13 times better than vaccine immunity ad preventing infection and 7x better at preventing severe covid. So yeah... it may not measure biceps but servere covid is very highly correlated having co morbid and poor immune system health. .
Not an analogy. I caught no fish. Its bordering supernatural the way fish avoid being caught by me. Hunting, no problem, and I like fishing tho? Look, you are upsetting yourself too much already little guy. You don't have what it takes for man talk, maybe go chasing your chubby little friends playing militia this weekend?
I can't see that image unfortunately? Ah but they have "tactical" asthma inhalers for Tackleberry's twinkie militia
That's ridiculous! Only one side, the Trump side, suffers from "polarization. This Trump cult side is trying to politicize a threat from a viral disease; a position of demonstrable monumental stupidity . The other side has based their view on science; not politics. This is a situation where only one side makes any sense whatsoever.