The economic impact of the current Exodus from the United States.

Discussion in 'Economics' started by SouthAmerica, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. Obama is going to open the door for all the worlds poor. It's a solid voting base for him. Plus he will give citizenship to the 12 million or so illegals already in this country. He'll make sure the illegals aren't being exploited by american businees. He'll make sure they get health care and a minimum wage etc.
    As far as I see it our roads schools hospital emergency rooms are crowded enough already.
    We should close the door to all immigration.
     
    #131     Nov 3, 2008
  2. ... until they see what they actually get for their share of the bill. Then they will want to revolt. But Hussein will take the guns away, so that revolt will max out as a million taxpayer march. The cycle of fools begins again with Hussein voters whose knowledge of history is limited to what they have been told.
     
    #132     Nov 3, 2008
  3. gnome

    gnome

    Can America prosper [or even survive] if all we do is each other's laundry? Where are there going to be jobs for these immigrants? There are not now enough jobs here for Americans, let alone for another wave of poor people...
     
    #133     Nov 3, 2008
  4. Service economies are self-limited by scale. That's why a manufacturing economy built this nation, making things with value added at every stage. But it is gone now, thanks to globalist trade fools. Those living-wage jobs are never coming back unless we re-industrialize this nation from the ground up, to restore those jobs, and hence the tax base and foundation to offer the world something they don't already import from somewhere else.
     
    #134     Nov 3, 2008
  5. Corey

    Corey

    Industrialization can be virtual, you know...

    If America can remain educationally competitive (which it is NOT doing a good job of right now), we will always be able to export ideas and concepts, protected under our excellent patent and copyright system, for manufacturing in other countries. Then, we sell to everyone else at a premium...
     
    #135     Nov 3, 2008
  6. There has been an exodus from the united states. One that has had a horrendous economic impact.
    That is the exodus of manufacturing jobs, to Mexico. The exodus of available jobs that stayed in-country, occupied by low-wage Central and South Americans who migrated up north. The exodus of American currency, via moneygram transfer, to their home countries. The exodus of national pride and national security, thanks to open borders.
     
    #136     Nov 3, 2008
  7. There is no value added in education steps. It must be tangible production. Repeat, labor produces no value added steps to production. This is why service economies are sustainable but cannot grow, regardless of profits from intellectual property sales. This was seen in Microsoft and Cisco in the 80s and 90s. Not everyone can be or should be a software writer.
     
    #137     Nov 3, 2008
  8. gnome

    gnome

    The "money" for the economy is not in "concepts and innovation"... it's in manufacturing. America will always be a hub of ideas, but that isn't worth much on a bigger scale.
     
    #138     Nov 3, 2008
  9. jjf

    jjf

    excellent point gnome.

    perhaps thought needs to be given to robotic just-in-time manufacturing and distribution.

    If you can bring the FIS cost in the NAFTA zone below that of Mexico you will have a captive audience of 440M.

    It is stupid of me to even mention, it but I would focus on manufacturing to supply peoples needs first and leave their "wants" in the secondary basket.

    I think that "The Economic History of the United States" is a good book to use as a starting point.
     
    #139     Nov 3, 2008
  10. If producing what already exists, there is no advantage to doing this. It must be production of innovation through means that allow us to charge premium dollars for what the world doesn't already have. Otherwise, we are merely competing again with third-world countries where peasants earn a dollar a day, to make what everyone else makes for less than we are willing to live on... we've already been there, and it didn't work the first time either.

    We CAN do it because we did it before. But Hussein is not so minded. Neither is Biden.
     
    #140     Nov 3, 2008