There is no "They" here except to a mind full of superstition and fantasy. This is weak minded Conservative thinking when all bad things, all faults can be blamed on a they. Being disgruntled because of a lack of perfect answers just in the nick of time like in a fantasy war movie shows a lack of leadership experience and common sense. You can be sure for a while funding and focus will be put on this not happening again and in eight to 14 years society gets complacent, a lot of the leaders in this time have retired and back to square one. Obama put in enough of this, Trump defunded it. The lady was clear, you were not intelligent enough to follow and now you are spinning about the they again. All we are as a species is a collection of talented people doing hopefully our best with knee biters like yourself pulling and nitpicking at them. I'm kidding of course, humanity is unlikely to have 14 years running it's own affairs, the AI event horizon may well be upon us before then. The you can moan about "they", unknowable gods interfering with your life will be real for the first time in our existence.
Antibody tests around the world suggest very, very few people have built immunity to the coronavirus https://www.businessinsider.com/cor...-around-the-world-positive-results-low-2020-7 Antibody tests can measure whether a person's body has developed a protective response to an illness, like the coronavirus. Around the world, antibody studies suggest that in most places, fewer than 1 in 10 people may have some degree of protection from another coronavirus infection. "The problem with antibody testing right now is that we don't know what it means," one vaccine scientist and virus expert told Business Insider. Millions of people around the world have gotten sick with the novel coronavirus, but even those who've successfully recovered from an illness may not be immune to new infections. Coronavirus antibody tests — not to be confused with the nose and throat saliva tests that register an ongoing illness in the body — are blood draws that aim to measure whether people have been previously infected with the coronavirus. These antibody tests determine whether an individual has mounted a protective immune response to the coronavirus, by producing y-shaped proteins called immunoglobulins. The tests still aren't completely accurate, but they're being dispatched in countries around the world as one initial marker of how many people may have gotten sick so far. The results of these antibody tests, while still preliminary, suggest that the world has quite a long way to go before its anywhere near immune to this virus, even if an illness may confer some degree of protection from another coronavirus infection (something scientists aren't sure about just yet). Here's a sampling of recent antibody test results from cities, counties, and countries around the world. You can see how hard-hit northern Italy and New York City have much larger percentages of positive antibody tests than most other spots around the globe, where still only a fraction of the population — fewer than one in ten people in most places — has mounted a detectable immune response to this virus: "I think the problem with antibody testing right now is that we don't know what it means," Florian Krammer, a vaccine scientist and virus expert at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York, told Business Insider. "We know that from other coronaviruses, from regular human common cold coronaviruses, you probably get immunity for some time, once you're infected, once you make antibodies, it's probably not so easy to get reinfected ... but it's not perfect." One recent antibody study in Spain suggested that some people's immune responses to the virus are already waning, just months after infection. Another preprint (not peer-reviewed) study of coronavirus infections in China suggested some patients (especially those younger than 40) may not develop antibodies at all. "The critical question is how much antibodies do you need, in order to be protected?" Krammer said. More and more evidence is pointing to the idea that herd immunity, whereby enough people have developed protective antibodies to an illness like the coronavirus, either through infection or vaccination, is not something that's going to be possible without some shots. "There's not much we can do until there's a vaccine, and with a vaccine you're able to reach herd immunity very quickly," Krammer said. America's top infectious disease expert seems to agree with him on that. "I think the durable solution to what we're in right now clearly has to be a vaccine," Dr. Anthony Fauci told The Hill on Thursday. "We hope that by the end of this calendar year and the beginning of 2021, that we will have a vaccine that we'll be able to begin to deploy."
Another propaganda piece from GWB... so... I will remind him that antibodies are only part of the immune response. Killer T-cells can save us Scientists are learning more about the antibody responses to the virus. Most people who are exposed to the virus and experience symptoms produce antibodies -- but there are now some indications that they may not last for long. But it does not necessarily mean people can be reinfected. Memory B-cells, when encountering the same virus, can change into effector B-cells, producing the neutralizing antibodies needed to neutralize the virus. How long memory B-cells persist following exposure to coronavirus is currently unknown. The last time Americans were asked to sacrifice daily life It appears that successful clearance of the virus may lead to a pool of helper T-cells and killer T-cells that are ready to respond to future threats. In fact, the most recent evidence suggests that some people who are asymptomatically infected by the virus may only develop a T-cell response. So while these people might not have any antibodies, they may still be immune to the coronavirus. The lack of an antibody response in some asymptomatic cases has profound implications for the current status of the pandemic in the US. Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that only 6% of Americans have been infected by coronavirus. This is a long way from the 60-80% we need for herd immunity. But the CDC estimate was based solely on studies accounting for antibodies, and not those who have T-cells that may make them immune to the virus. That means the CDC may be undercounting the total number of Americans who are immune to the virus. If these T-cell responses prove to be protective, it means that we may be closer to herd immunity than the 6% statistic suggests. Get our free weekly newsletter That would be some good news in a terrible year. Unravelling these immunological mysteries takes time. We are only six months into understanding how our body defends itself from this virus. The data is slowly emerging, and while there will be a continual refinement of our understanding of the immune processes that defend us, I am starting to see patterns in the data that give me hope that recovery from infection may lead to sustained protection from reinfection. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/opin...ccine-immunity-inoculation-bromage/index.html[/QUOTE]
i'm going to forecast that when this virus is conquered in some way, herd immunity of any type will not be the reason. And the Jem can get on here and apologize for his long winded, narcissistic rants about the virus.
Well it certainly won't be "natural herd immunity" -- it may be conquered by "vaccine induced herd immunity".
Ha. He already sees the writing on the wall and is retrofitting his plan for what the US should have done with the new T-Cell resistance findings regardless of this not being known months ago and still provisional findings in one local area. Its all about fooling himself into thinking someone sees him as a visionary.
Ok, we can go with that. I'm not a medical expert. I'll revise my opinion to include a vaccine induced solution. We likely get treatments to reduce deaths prior. What I'm not on board with is this idea of allowing the virus to run through the population and assuming "low risk" groups are not at risk at all.
Doctor from Florida on TV just now. Says the chances of virus transmission two unmasked people in close proximity is 70-80%, if they wear masks it's 1-1.5%. He brought up the 4 week delay said clearly it's going to get worse for 4 weeks hopefully the "do over" is better done because this opening up was not.
Donnie will have the national guard start nationalizing businesses before he allows for a continued shutdown.