The joys of socialism?

Discussion in 'Economics' started by zdreg, Aug 13, 2025 at 12:35 PM.

Does socialism create shortages

  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    84.6%
  2. No

    2 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. I am a socialist who likes living in a capitalist country

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  1. Ricky Roma

    Ricky Roma

    Ah, you are anti-Africans then? And possibly anti Muslim too? I'm guessing you can't be American if you don't know your country's immigrant building blocks?
     
  2. zdreg

    zdreg

    You are a bad guesser.
     
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  3. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    All systems have weaknesses but the fundamental goals of the medical system are stronger in Canada then the US. Like many debates on here the hard data is ignored starting with life expectancy rates. Always a lot of excuses from Americans who believe the fairly tales that everything American is better that's why it's far more expensive.
     
  4. nz_melon

    nz_melon

    As said, I agree with you overall. I lived for a while in Canada. I never had issues with timely appointments and professional treatment. An older neighbor had to wait for 7-8 months for knee replacements but he was OK as it was non urgent and he is in his late 80s and does not move around that much anyways. I have a very positive experience with Healthcare in Canada just as I had in every social market economy I have lived and currently live in where a society understands that we are all in this together and everyone goes through seasons of distress and seasons of strength. Charging slightly higher tax rates in exchange for a smoothening out of the consequences of unexpected and unpredictable life events is a net positive for the middle class.

    What baffles me is how some on the lowest rungs in the US vehemently deny that fact. Coincidently they are the same who would rather buy a lottery ticket than a sure 10 bucks in their pockets any day.

     
  5. zdreg

    zdreg

    Generally, the poor have an inability to plan for the future. The benefits of delayed gratification are not part of their psyche.
     
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  6. 2rosy

    2rosy

    Can't USA tax the rich to enhance social services for the many? We could even start here by seeing how much money is donated to a charity.
     
  7. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    The US system is designed for higher bracket income people who are barely impacted by the problems of lower classes unless they get robbed or shot. It may be unsustainable given rising federal debt and the social security debt coming online in an aging society. When shit hits the fan ( eg someone can't get medical care, a huge weather disaster ), there is mish mash of attempts to help people out because the official system can't do it. Trump is making this worse by cutting essential services to fund tax cuts for the rich.
     
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  8. nz_melon

    nz_melon

    While true that's not the real issue, as most are unable to plan their future. Life happens. That's precisely the reason why someone in the middle segment (aka middle class) generally sees the benefits of paying some premium for insurance. I speak of insurance in the broad, generic sense, premium being slightly higher taxation, and coverage being health care, affordable education,...

    It makes complete sense that a self-serving, wealthy individual rather minimizes tax expenses, he/she has deep enough pockets to weather a storm or two. The middle class does not and it requires a different mindset.

     
  9. zdreg

    zdreg

    Charity is supposed to aid the less fortunate, Taxes paid to government create an overpaid inefficient bureaucracy.
     
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  10. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Another false narrative. The poor often lack the resources to plan their future.