the sooner we get away from BEEF

blackjack007 · Jan 19, 2010

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that's london broil @37% fat calories. nothing lean about it
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london broil with fat trimmed off: 15% fat calories
spinach: 15%
broccoli: 10%
white mushrooms: 14%
olives: 84%
white corn: 12%
coconut: 83%

source: USDA nutrient database

trendlover · Jan 19, 2010

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london broil with fat trimmed off: 15% fat calories
spinach: 15%
broccoli: 10%
white mushrooms: 14%
olives: 84%
white corn: 12%
coconut: 83%

source: USDA nutrient database
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killthesunshine think coconut is POISON.

killthesunshine · Jan 19, 2010

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london broil with fat trimmed off: 15% fat calories
spinach: 15%
broccoli: 10%
white mushrooms: 14%
olives: 84%
white corn: 12%

source: USDA nutrient database
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i don't think so

killthesunshine · Jan 19, 2010

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killthesunshine think coconut is POISON.
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coconut OIL is POISIN. all oils are but coconut oil is worse

trendlover · Jan 19, 2010

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coconut OIL is POISIN. all oils are but coconut oil is worse [/QUOTE
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Killthesunshine, you see the result of random double blind study?
The coconut oil {C} subject have higher HDL (Good cholesterol) and lower waist size.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/02ngg2413wm2w630/?p=b15b9325833647369012d5e19a06ac9d&pi=1

(1) Faculdade de NutriÃ§Ã£o, Universidade Federal de Alagoas, MaceiÃ³, AL, 57072-970, Brazil
(2) Faculdade de CiÃªncias BiolÃ³gicas e da SaÃºde, FundaÃ§Ã£o Jayme de Altavila, MaceiÃ³, AL, 57051-160, Brazil

Received: 12 September 2008 Accepted: 22 April 2009 Published online: 13 May 2009

Abstract The effects of dietary supplementation with coconut oil on the biochemical and anthropometric profiles of women presenting waist circumferences (WC) >88 cm (abdominal obesity) were investigated. The randomised, double-blind, clinical trial involved 40 women aged 20â40 years. Groups received daily dietary supplements comprising 30 mL of either soy bean oil (group S; n = 20) or coconut oil (group C; n = 20) over a 12-week period, during which all subjects were instructed to follow a balanced hypocaloric diet and to walk for 50 min per day. Data were collected 1 week before (T1) and 1 week after (T2) dietary intervention. Energy intake and amount of carbohydrate ingested by both groups diminished over the trial, whereas the consumption of protein and fibre increased and lipid ingestion remained unchanged. At T1 there were no differences in biochemical or anthropometric characteristics between the groups, whereas at T2 group C presented a higher level of HDL (48.7 Â± 2.4 vs. 45.00 Â± 5.6; P = 0.01) and a lower LDL:HDL ratio (2.41 Â± 0.8 vs. 3.1 Â± 0.8; P = 0.04). Reductions in BMI were observed in both groups at T2 (P < 0.05), but only group C exhibited a reduction in WC (P = 0.005). Group S presented an increase (P < 0.05) in total cholesterol, LDL and LDL:HDL ratio, whilst HDL diminished (P = 0.03). Such alterations were not observed in group C. It appears that dietetic supplementation with coconut oil does not cause dyslipidemia and seems to promote a reduction in abdominal obesity.
Keywords Medium chain fatty acids - Lauric acid - Dyslipidemia

This article based in part on the Masterâs Dissertation of M.L. AssunÃ§Ã£o, presented to the Faculdade de NutriÃ§Ã£o, Universidade Federal de Alagoas, MaceiÃ³, AL, Brazil, in 2007. A summary of the paper was presented at the IX Congresso Nacional da Sociedade Brasileira de AlimentaÃ§Ã£o e NutriÃ§Ã£o, SÃ£o Paulo, SP, Brazil, 2007.

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R. Raskolnikov · Jan 19, 2010

Hmmm, if all other oils are poison, why did you link an article where your guy advocated eating olive AND canola oils?

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coconut OIL is POISIN. all oils are but coconut oil is worse
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killthesunshine · Jan 19, 2010

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Quote from killthesunshine:

coconut OIL is POISIN. all oils are but coconut oil is worse [/QUOTE
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Killthesunshine, you see the result of random double blind study?
The coconut oil {C} subject have higher HDL (Good cholesterol) and lower waist size.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/02ngg2413wm2w630/?p=b15b9325833647369012d5e19a06ac9d&pi=1

(1) Faculdade de NutriÃ§Ã£o, Universidade Federal de Alagoas, MaceiÃ³, AL, 57072-970, Brazil
(2) Faculdade de CiÃªncias BiolÃ³gicas e da SaÃºde, FundaÃ§Ã£o Jayme de Altavila, MaceiÃ³, AL, 57051-160, Brazil

Received: 12 September 2008 Accepted: 22 April 2009 Published online: 13 May 2009

Abstract The effects of dietary supplementation with coconut oil on the biochemical and anthropometric profiles of women presenting waist circumferences (WC) >88 cm (abdominal obesity) were investigated. The randomised, double-blind, clinical trial involved 40 women aged 20â40 years. Groups received daily dietary supplements comprising 30 mL of either soy bean oil (group S; n = 20) or coconut oil (group C; n = 20) over a 12-week period, during which all subjects were instructed to follow a balanced hypocaloric diet and to walk for 50 min per day. Data were collected 1 week before (T1) and 1 week after (T2) dietary intervention. Energy intake and amount of carbohydrate ingested by both groups diminished over the trial, whereas the consumption of protein and fibre increased and lipid ingestion remained unchanged. At T1 there were no differences in biochemical or anthropometric characteristics between the groups, whereas at T2 group C presented a higher level of HDL (48.7 Â± 2.4 vs. 45.00 Â± 5.6; P = 0.01) and a lower LDL:HDL ratio (2.41 Â± 0.8 vs. 3.1 Â± 0.8; P = 0.04). Reductions in BMI were observed in both groups at T2 (P < 0.05), but only group C exhibited a reduction in WC (P = 0.005). Group S presented an increase (P < 0.05) in total cholesterol, LDL and LDL:HDL ratio, whilst HDL diminished (P = 0.03). Such alterations were not observed in group C. It appears that dietetic supplementation with coconut oil does not cause dyslipidemia and seems to promote a reduction in abdominal obesity.
Keywords Medium chain fatty acids - Lauric acid - Dyslipidemia

This article based in part on the Masterâs Dissertation of M.L. AssunÃ§Ã£o, presented to the Faculdade de NutriÃ§Ã£o, Universidade Federal de Alagoas, MaceiÃ³, AL, Brazil, in 2007. A summary of the paper was presented at the IX Congresso Nacional da Sociedade Brasileira de AlimentaÃ§Ã£o e NutriÃ§Ã£o, SÃ£o Paulo, SP, Brazil, 2007.

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Coconut oil is 92% saturated fat. Do you want to eat this much saturated fat? :eek:
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killthesunshine · Jan 19, 2010

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Hmmm, if all other oils are poison, why did you link an article where your guy advocated eating olive AND canola oils?
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no, i don't think so

R. Raskolnikov · Jan 19, 2010

What you think is irrelevant

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178254&perpage=6&pagenumber=174

"In sum, I recommend a plant-based, high-fiber diet that is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, healthy proteins (nuts, beans, low-fat dairy products); and foods, such as fish, olive oil and canola oil, that have ample "healthy fats."

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no, i don't think so
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killthesunshine · Jan 19, 2010

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What you think is irrelevant

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178254&perpage=6&pagenumber=174

"In sum, I recommend a plant-based, high-fiber diet that is rich in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, healthy proteins (nuts, beans, low-fat dairy products); and foods, such as fish, olive oil and canola oil, that have ample "healthy fats."
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i get my "ample healthy fats" from whole natural vegetables not from concentrated sources. But if you must eat OIL those are less HARMFUL sources, could do a lot worse (coconut oil)