This is no clown car... Republican debate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Sep 16, 2015.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Fact check: The second Republican debate
    Eugene Kiely, Brooks Jackson, Lori Robertson, Robert Farley and Dave Levitan, FactCheck.org 10:28 a.m. EDT September 17, 2015

    "The Republican presidential candidates met for their second debate on Sept. 16, this one hosted by CNN at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum in California. We found they strayed from the facts on numerous issues, including:

    • Donald Trump told a story linking vaccination to autism, but there's no evidence that recommended vaccines cause autism. And Sen. Rand Paul suggested that it would be safer to spread out recommended vaccines, but there's no evidence of that, either.

    • Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said Trump donated to his gubernatorial campaign to get him to change his mind on casino gambling in Florida. But Trump denied he ever wanted to bring casino gambling to the state. A former lobbyist says he did.

    • Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee said that Hillary Clinton was "under investigation by the FBI" because she "destroyed government records." Not true. She had the authority to delete personal emails.

    • Trump said that "illegal immigration" cost "more than $200 billion a year." We couldn't find any support for that. Actually, it could cost taxpayers $137 billion or more to deport the 11 million immigrants in the country illegally, as Trump proposes.

    • Trump again wrongly said that Mexico doesn't have a birthright citizenship policy like the United States. It does.

    • Carly Fiorina said that the Planned Parenthood videos released by an anti-abortion group showed "a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain." But that scene isn't in any of the videos.

    • Fiorina repeated familiar boasts about her time at Hewlett-Packard, saying the size of the company "doubled," without mentioning that was due to a merger with Compaq, and she cherry-picked other statistics.

    • Florida Sen. Marco Rubio said that U.S. policies to combat climate change would "do absolutely nothing." The U.S. acting alone would have a small effect on rising temperatures and sea levels, and experts say U.S. leadership on the issue would prompt other nations to act.

    • In the "happy hour" debate, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham glossed over the accompanying tax increases when he said only that Ronald Reagan and then-House Speaker Tip O'Neill "found a way to save Social Security from bankruptcy by adjusting the age of retirement from 65 to 67."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...fact-check-second-republican-debate/32517889/
     
    #41     Sep 17, 2015
  2. Perhaps nose length should have been measured before and after the debate to gauge the abuse of performance enhancing remarks.
     
    #42     Sep 17, 2015
  3. She gets hammered more for the failed merger between HP and Compaq which happened in 2001. By 2003 it was a total disaster. This lead to her departure in 2005. My take on this is
    A. Mergers don't take place because one person likes the idea. The entire board had to approve this, along with other senior management.
    B. 2001-2003 wasn't exactly a great time for the market as your chart reflects and failures of this magnitude aren't due to one person. HP management failed on many fronts, and yes, Fiorina was at the helm, but to lay it all at her feet ignores the reality of how business operates.
    C. People learn from past experiences and I'm sure she's a better leader/manager as a result of that experience. We all learn more from the knocks we take over the easy success that may come our way from time to time.
    https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/compaq-hp-ultimately-urge-merge-was-right
     
    #43     Sep 17, 2015
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Well compared to the lies coming out of the mouths of Democratic presidential candidates these are barely even minor league.
     
    #44     Sep 17, 2015
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  5. Max E.

    Max E.


    Its not really fair to compare New Jersey's overall performance compared to other republican only led states, he walked into a sea of debt with massive taxes, and was able to bring taxes down and reduce the dificit, and actually got the public sector unions to agree to some concessions, in a blue state, i give him alot more credit for getting that done then someone who has a republican majority to work with year in and year out.
     
    #45     Sep 17, 2015
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    This campaign will not be dictated by fact checkers.
     
    #46     Sep 17, 2015
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    While I don't live there, all my family does. the state is going down the tubes, and Christie is at the helm. If we can blame Obama for the economy of the US (he's been here long enough) then the same blame can be laid at Christie's feet in NJ.

    Fair is fair.
     
    #47     Sep 17, 2015
  8. Max E.

    Max E.


    But the thing is i dont necessarily blame Obama for the entire economy, sure his policies have been bad for the economy, but this whole mess has been years in the making, with one president simply handing the train wreck off to the next one for decades, i dont expect the next person to simply come in and make everything perfect i just want a president who will atleast hand the next one a better america then the way he got it.
     
    #48     Sep 17, 2015
  9. Arnie

    Arnie

    Ricter,

    How come they haven't fact checked any of the Democrat debates?
     
    #49     Sep 17, 2015
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    We can argue that elsewhere for sure, but that's how it stands for this debate. I wasn't able to watch it, but I don't believe voodoo economics was touched on, was it?
     
    #50     Sep 17, 2015