Three Sources of Edge

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Chuck Krug, Dec 28, 2015.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    It took me awhile to learn that to be a profitable trader...you don't need to accurately predict the market. You just need to apply good risk management, good position size management, being in the right markets at the right time to be a profitable trader.

    Unlike you, that's what I learned from institutional traders.

    I agree, I never met any retail trader that turned 5k into millions (you made that plural) in today's markets nor in markets from yester-years like the 1990s dot.com days. In contrast, I do see traders with 5k making 20k in today's markets. Once again, they aren't accurately predicting the markets. They just have a strong understanding about why they actually are profitable and they simply rinse and repeat.

    I was in Montréal recently and hanging out with a friend (former institutional trader) at his home as he traded. 6 trades...4 losers and 2 winners but 8k in profits for the day. That was an unusual big profitable day for him but not the more losing trades than winning trades. He's not a 5k small account trader and usually has about 100k trading account depending upon how much profits he has moved out of his account that particular month. Yet, he has consistently stated he has a 48% win ratio over that past several years...obviously he's someone that does poorly in trading because he's not able to accurately predict the market on that one particular trading day and on most trading days even though he makes about 15k per month.

    Think about that carefully...not able to accurately predict the markets but still consistently profitable. Seems like an oxymoron, a contradiction, uncomfortable reality. Seems to conflict with everything we as retail traders know about trading.

    It just seem odd that the pros or former pros have learned risk management from their jobs because its demanded (instilled) in them as a critical component of their job while most retail traders seem only interested in such after a few blow ups.

    That also makes me wonder about the goal of trading....

    I always thought the goal was to be a profitable trader or should it be to be able to accurately predict the markets. I'm starting to think there's a big difference between those goals when I see traders like my buddy in Montréal that has excellent risk management on his losers, holds his profitable traders to their targets and knows when to decrease his position size and when to increase his position size most of the time but not every time...

    Maybe we have a misunderstanding of what is an edge ???
     
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    #61     Jan 3, 2016
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  2. Redneck

    Redneck

    Yet if the independent trader only stopped and thought about how much of their non-trading life involves risk mitigation.., should not be such a hard task to carry it over to trading

    Insurance / locks / fire alarms / passwords / brushing teeth / eating healthy / vitamins / seat belts / exercise / sunscreen -> on.., and on..., and on

    Full disclosure: I had to blow up a couple of times to get it - so I'm not sitting here thinking/ or trying to come across as I'm somehow better

    Quite the contrary - trying to save someone the bullshit... headache.., heartburn..., needlessness of it

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    It the only goal

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    Can't be done over time - uncertainty ensures it

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    They are indeed worlds apart



    RN
     
    #62     Jan 3, 2016
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  3. Visaria

    Visaria

    Predicting the markets isn't so important....

    I’ve learned many things from him [George Soros], but perhaps the most significant is that it’s not whether you’re right or wrong that’s important, but how much money you make when you’re right and how much you lose when you’re wrong.

    - Stanley Druckenmiller
     
    #63     Jan 4, 2016
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  4. Your response is standard for those with a less cognitive world view
     
    #64     Jan 4, 2016
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    I tried using Google's "gibberish" translator and it still could not translate your post.
     
    #65     Jan 4, 2016
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  6. Guile

    Guile

     
    #66     Jan 4, 2016
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