The thing that seems to bug most the people here is the short amount of time given if you do bad at the start. Again, IT IS THERE MONEY, not yours. They are also very up front about it, so I do not see it as a problem. That question has been asked before to Mike in the chat, and he has never dodged that question. Also, if you are a good trader as you all seem to claim, go for the 150k combine for a higher risk limit. The rules for getting a refund are not that onerous and when you go live. Lower the risk down some to make that 6k go a little farther. Am I in love with the tight risk limit? No I'm not, but it is their money. They do want people to succeed, but as they never formally meet people, I would never expect them to allow people to lose 10-40k on an account. I will also say that I have met Patak before, and he is a good guy. The combines don't pay the bills as I believe a large enough amount of people are able to get refunds and the amount of services offered. What they are trying to do is build a group of loyal traders that will stay with them for years. This normally happens by getting a trader that is young and giving him that chance to thrive. Traders that have been in the business for 5-10 years are much less likely to have loyalty to a prop firm. That is my opinion. For those bashing Mav, he seems like the most professional person here. If I lived in Chicago, I'd definitely want to meet him and ask for any advice etc for what to do as he seems to know his shit. Mav has never said this is the ultimate route to go on, but it is legitimate and may be the best chance people can get without using your own money. I'd like to ask how many traders on here would even back other traders? Answer is probably few to none. Is TsT for everyone, no it isn't, but the squawk does give some good information on breaking news that most retail traders would not get in a timely manner and you get a good charting program. Getting all that for $100-200/month is in itself a good deal. Add on the chance to get a live account as a main or supplemental account, and I think it is a winning proposition.