Trading bitcoin via mstr in 2025

Discussion in 'Crypto Assets' started by johnarb, Jan 18, 2025.

  1. Tokenz

    Tokenz

    You guys holding MSTR better watch out...

    Strategy loyalists sell MSTR, say Michael Saylor lied about dilution
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    One of the top Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy) influencers has sold his position and called founder Michael Saylor a liar.

    Josh Mandell, who has over 140,000 followers on X and is frequently praised in subreddits like r/MSTR as a key voice on the company, went viral today after claiming that Strategy executives have reneged on solemn forward guidance.

    As previously reported by Protos, Saylor decided to modify slide 96 of the company’s July 31 earnings presentation. Critically, he changed the company’s guidance to not dilute common (MSTR) shareholders while MSTR trades at a multiple-to-Net Asset Value (mNAV) between 1x and 2.5x.

    Yesterday morning, Saylor added a third, catch-all exception beyond servicing interest and dividend payments.

    According to the new slide, Strategy may now dilute MSTR between a 1x and 2.5x mNAV “when otherwise deemed advantageous to the company.”

    MNAV is the extra value that investors place on Strategy’s enterprise value above its bitcoin (BTC) holdings. As of publication time, its Enterprise Value is 1.55x the value of its $71.4 billion worth of BTC.

    Albeit impressive, that premium has halved since November 20, 2024.

    As months have passed, loyalists like Mandell became fed up with the lengthy decline and the downside decoupling of MSTR from the price of BTC.

    Read more: MicroStrategy abandons MSTR dilution promise after mNAV drop

    They’re saying Michael Saylor lied
    According to Mandell, Saylor lied by saying he wasn’t going to dilute MSTR between 1 to 2.5x except to service interest and dividend payments, and then reneged on that guidance yesterday.

    Mandell initially gained fame by predicting that the price of BTC would rally to $84,000 on a precise day — March 14, 2025 — which it duly did.

    He continued to gain prominence after buying and commenting on MSTR, the world’s most popular BTC treasury stock.

    Other loyalists have resigned in the wake of Saylor’s about-face. “Spot on Josh — It pains me to agree with you!” said X Spaces influencer Darkside.

    Parrot Capital amplified his view of Saylor’s alleged dishonesty.

    Similar posts about the alleged lie gained tens of thousands of impressions. A reverse chronological search on X for posts about “saylor” and conjugations of the verb “to lie” return dozens of posts within the past 24 hours.

    These allegations about lying echo other disappointments about the company.

    One Strategy employee on Glassdoor called the work experience “extremely disappointing” while another account executive called it “demoralizing.”

    Meanwhile, insiders have been dumping millions of dollars’ worth of stock.
     
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  2. S2007S

    S2007S



    Insiders have been selling for a handful of years, literally hand over fist...

    Without them holding bitcoin on their balance sheets this company would be maybe 8 bucks a share.
     
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  3. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    I posted about the dilution months ago — even shared data showing how MSTR isn't tracking BTC the same anymore and the affect on volatility. You should be quoting me, not some talking head.
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2025 at 2:56 AM
  4. Ed48

    Ed48

    I could see the appeal of MSTR when the only other exchange listed alternative was GBTC.

    Not sure I see the point now there are ETFs.
     
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  5. Tokenz

    Tokenz

    Then why did you buy into it then?

    I never bought into MSTR because I have been uncomfortable with Michael Sailor from the beggining. He's been caught in the past lying and doing other things. And him being one of the biggest companies in crypto, he has the power to sink the whole crypto market. And hat else is he lying about?

    If you've already made money with this company then great, but just know one day it's all going to crash
     
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  6. wxytrader

    wxytrader

    I have scaled out of it lol. (MSTY)
    A leopard and its spots was always in the back of my mind...but MSTY isn't 100% correlated to MSTR so keeping some for fun.
     
  7. deaddog

    deaddog

    I suppose you did that to stop from losing any more money. LOL
     
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  8. jbusse

    jbusse

    Kind of like saying McDonalds stock would be worth a lot less is they stopped selling burgers and french fries.
     
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  9. Ed48

    Ed48

    I would expect that premium to continue to fall. After all, who wants to pay 1.55 times as much for BTC as holding the coins yourself or buying an ETF?
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2025 at 11:46 AM
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  10. johnarb

    johnarb

    still waiting for first price target on $troll $500M market cap, then $1B market cap... maybe in Uptober?

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