Trading individual legs off of a pair trade?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by fika, Jul 6, 2014.

  1. fika

    fika

    I agree as the bull market makes everyone look brilliant. Time will tell. I did manage to make some good trades though in the first half of May(some that I still am holding now). Only time will tell. In my experience, my portfolio tends to see some of its best days in more bearish times, and tends to lag during more bullish markets.
     
    #11     Jul 6, 2014
  2. fika

    fika

    Are you manual or automated?
     
    #12     Jul 6, 2014
  3. fika

    fika

    I almost want to see a bear market come through(as we really could use one anyways) and test my portfolio. I do this all manually, studying correlated names of a stock I am interested and setting my own ratios. I then create a massive watchlist of all my spreads. At times I even spread my stocks against indices like SPY to see how a name gauges against the overall market.

    Yes I think it has to do with shorts realizing they are overpaying as the spreads they watch go out of favor for them. I also think that a lot of experienced institutional traders are more willing to trade just one leg and leave off the hedge as they are thinking the same thing I am. Although this may disappear once we see more bearish sentiment kick in.
     
    #13     Jul 6, 2014
  4. tom_czr

    tom_czr

    Automated. But since I am full time trader I am around computer during the day anyway, so basicaly it can be done manualy too - I have software which automaticaly construct best possible pairs based on my needs and it graphicaly shows signals too if manual entry/exit is needed (in case there will be some trouble with broker's API or something like that)...

    BTW If you construct pairs correctly, there is no need to trade long only leg, because short leg will actually lower your overall margin (if you use portfolio margin account) and short part of my system is making money too - though much smaller amount, but in case 2008/2009 it is going to make brutal profit (again :D )

    So long story short - it is possible to have portfolio insurance which is not costing money (like buying put options), but which actually makes money...
     
    #14     Jul 6, 2014
  5. fika

    fika

    Interesting, yes I get that the short side will maintain margin. My goal with this strategy is to steer clear from anything that has to do with being market neutral even if it means losing the extra margin/insurance from the hedge. I want to speculate and accept the risk lol.
     
    #15     Jul 6, 2014
  6. tom_czr

    tom_czr

    Why not, there is not much risk being long only if done properly...
    What method do you use for construction of pairs?
     
    #16     Jul 6, 2014
  7. eurusdzn

    eurusdzn

    Do you find that a simple long and also a reverse/mirror image short system
    can both be profitable in even a strongly trending market?
    I think this is possible because one can construct a basket of spreads that do not coint and corr closely so at any time a long and short system can work together on the same instruments at the same time. Not equally well but market filters help weigh.
    Volatility is a choice as well. Coint. pairs have volatility less than individual legs but
    high volatility can be found by selecting legs that do not follow each other.
    Seems that basic trend and range trading instruments can be selected at the extremes of cointegration. Range is high coint and trend is no/low coint.

    The above refers to etf's and i find that for a retail amateur it is hard to put on both legs and get fills due to difficulty shorting and /or illiquid options.
    I guess BTFD.
     
    #17     Jul 12, 2014
  8. NKNY

    NKNY


    Hi

    This can work in an uptrending market but if we have a correction you should be hedged.

    With pairs you can't assume the oversold will go up, the overbought may go down.


    Nick
     
    #18     Jul 12, 2014
  9. NKNY

    NKNY

    Hi Tom czr

    Curious what length is the mean you trade off of. Are you short term or longer like 50, 100, 200 etc...


    Also is your software proprietary or off the shelf.


    Thanks.


    Nick
     
    #19     Jul 12, 2014