Trading the Indices on Fundamentals

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by FXtrader8911, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. On the 125th anniversary of the DOW, here are the original 30 DOW stocks of 1928:

    Allied Chemical
    American Can
    American Smelting
    American Sugar
    American Tobacco
    Atlantic Refining
    Bethlehem Steel
    Chrysler
    General Electric
    General Motors Corporation
    General Railway Signal
    Goodrich
    International Harvester
    International Nickel
    Mack Truck
    Nash Motors
    North American
    Paramount Publix
    Postum Incorporated
    Radio Corporation
    Sears Roebuck & Company
    Standard Oil (N.J.)
    Texas Company
    Texas Gulf Sulphur
    Union Carbide
    U.S. Steel
    Victor Talking Machine
    Westinghouse Electric
    Woolworth
    Wright Aeronautical2

    Today the DOW was rather lacklustre, it had a 200pt swing and moved between gains and losses to end flat on the day at 2.2% below its all time high.

    Russell is at -5.03% (after the rally of 2% today)
    S&P is at -1.13%
    NQ100 is at -2.65%

    Professional market players are increasingly joining the camp of possible run-away inflation nipping Powell in the butt. Where it not for the retail buy-the-dip crowd, market levels would be considerably lower. The Buffett indicator, which tracks the S&P v GDP, stands at 58% above the historical average predicting a y/o/y loss of between 4% to 7% for an investor buying at current levels.
     
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    #741     May 26, 2021
  2. Looking at the 1928 DOW components list, one had to note that the majority of those technologically advanced and largest companies in the world at the time, are no longer in the DOW and in fact, most no longer exist. This statistic needs to be a wake-up call for those investing in the current technologically advanced and largest companies in the world at valuations that by most, are considered ridiculous (Tesla to name one). Dispupters enter every day, founders don't live forever and consumer habits change. Sentiment may well bring a shock to the stars but ignoring the fundaments is what increases the risk... fundamentals still matter and stock prices will tend to gravitate towards these in the long term.
     
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    #742     May 26, 2021
  3. Michael Burry predictor of the crash of the property bubble (the big Short), last week made the prediction that markets will crash and losses will be the size of county economies. A bit dramatic but not impossible and it seems he has put money where his mouth is by shorting several stocks, not least Tesla to the tune of $½b. Dip buyers, aided by loose monetary policies and $4b of helicopter money, have for some time ignored all valuations as well as overvalued and interest rate warnings, pushing the Buffett indicator (tracking S&P v GDP) to 60% above historical averages. Based on this, even a 60% correction is possible, however, the Fed remains in the mix so although many fund managers agree that markets are overvalued and that valuations growing into those values within 10 months or so is pie in the sky, I think 15% to 20% correction is likely. If this is sufficient to wipe out the mindless dip buyers once and for all, losses could go further.
     
    #743     Jun 20, 2021
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    1928! *rubs temples*

     
    #744     Jun 20, 2021
  5. 60% is simply unrealistic at this stage in the cycle.

    15-20% is possible but we will need to see strong follow through this week else its another pullback in a bull trend.
     
    #745     Jun 21, 2021
  6. Fund managers much smarter than me are saying that downward momentum has built, but are saying that this week will indeed be up with the sell-off restarting in the following weeks.
     
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    #746     Jun 21, 2021
  7. A possible 60% crash? :D

    The Property Markets & Stock-markets are just about to enter a huge boom period.

    The below link may sway you to a different line of thinking? …

    Nothing has suggested a spiralling downward momentum this week?

    Corrections inevitably occur to build a healthy forward moving market.

    We’ll see how it pans out over future weeks but a correction of 60% just won’t happen under the current climate.

    https://propertysharemarketeconomics.com/18-point-6-property-share-market-economics
     
    #747     Jun 23, 2021
  8. Here's an interesting stat... Companies making the components of the S&P500 used to have an average duration within the index of 60 years, since the big tech revolution, the average life span of an S&P company is now 20 years.

    Meanwhile, after Friday's rally, the total S&P500 market cap over GDP has risen to 207.1%.
     
    #748     Jul 10, 2021
  9. It's been a month since this post.

    You sure they are really that smart? Market perfomance since doesnt seem to agree.

    Perhaps they are in fact no better than the rest of the average fund managers with "titles" to their name.
     
    #749     Jul 26, 2021
  10. You are probably right... A week after the post, the prediction seemed correct but then the downward momentum faded 2 days later. All one can do is compare the levels with historical prices when the fundamentals matched the current fundamentals. These same people are still saying that prices should not be as high as they are because earning will not be rising as fast as the stock prices rise are indicating, however, to my knowledge, only Michael Burry had the balls to actually short the market, the others roll with the flow but remain cautious (as evidenced by the VIX remaining elevated compared to the 2019 market highs). The Buffett indicator now at 210% compared to the 140% historical average also say the prices are too high. Timing is always the wild card. The last time we saw relentless buying without as much as a 2% dip was 4 years ago, it lasted 12 months then came to an end.
     
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    #750     Jul 29, 2021
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