Trump/Zelensky in the Oval Office

Discussion in 'Politics' started by kandlekid, Mar 1, 2025.

  1. elderado

    elderado

    #71     Mar 2, 2025
  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    The US public needs to understand that the pet reporter was primed to start the humiliation. It was a set up.

    Reposting this as its one of scores of public examples of Trump working a victim. It was premeditated and blatant.

    "What Trump, Epstein, Bannon, Putin, Musk do is a learned skill that has to be practiced.

    "Moments after they arrived, she alleges, Trump greeted Williams (Epstein's girlfriend) pulled her toward him and started groping her. She said he put his hands “all over my breasts” as well as her waist and her buttocks. She said she froze because she was “deeply confused” about what was happening. At the same time, she said she believed she saw the two men smiling at each other.

    After the alleged incident, Williams said that she and Epstein left Trump Tower, and that she began to feel Epstein growing angry at her.

    “Jeffrey and I left and he didn’t look at me or speak to me and I felt this seething rage around me, and when we got down to the sidewalk, he looked at me and just berated me, and said: ‘Why did you let him do that?’” she said on the Zoom call (to journalist, the incident was 1993).

    “He made me feel so disgusting and I remember being so utterly confused,” she said.

    She described how the alleged incident seemed to her to be part of a “twisted game”.

    How do you get to Carnagie hall? PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE."
     
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    #72     Mar 2, 2025
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  3. volpri

    volpri

    You are turning the focus and narrative on hating Trump and away from Z and what really happened in the encounter. Are you obsessed with anyway you can down Trump? It sure looks like it. A preset bias? Get over it. On the way out you may wish to say bye to Mr Z. And Mr Z might want to say bye to Mr T. He likely won't be back to see Mr T again. Let Europe handle Mr Z. Soon enough they will tire of it.
     
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    #73     Mar 2, 2025
  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Trump and Vance have shown the world that they can not run the United States like a business as they strongly believe they can do for the U.S. to be respected again.

    It no longer matters who's at fault...the so called mineral for peace deal failed unless someone makes an apology behind closed doors.

    The reporter who did not say anything to Musk when Musk wears a tee-shirt with a sports jacket and dark black wrangler jeans (more about this later at the end), Vance who demands a thank you when Zelensky has already spoken to our entire U.S. Congress and said Thank You multiple times, Trump or Zelensky...

    The issue is that the White House failed in bringing peace and failed at signing the deal to get access to the rich minerals in the Ukraine for its efforts to bring peace between Russia and Ukraine.

    With that said and on the heals of the multiple times Trump has stated the United States should pull out of NATO for financial reasons...a message Trump has been repeating since he was in the Reform party and he was getting into arguments with Republican and Democratic congress members had served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

    Remember the two goals stated clearly by Trump:

    Bring peace between Russia and Ukraine.
    As a reward, gain access to Ukraine's rich critical minerals that could put the United States on the same level as China who leads in that area of rick critical minerals.

    Reality, it's a project that could take many years to begin excavating those rich minerals in Ukraine.

    The other reality, the United States should no longer be welcome in NATO mainly because it wants to pull out from all of its protection of American citizens for "financial reasons". Instead, let the United States join Russia, North Korea and others like those countries before they ask the United States to go to War for them or turn its head and look away when those countries invade other countries.

    Essentially we'll now have the situation that the United States suppose had wanted to avoid...WWIII.

    In the mean time, Europe is capable of putting a peace keeping mission on the ground in Ukraine. Zelensky has already had that discussion with Europe and has now had the failed discussion with the United States.

    It would not take many troops to put on the ground in Ukraine as a peace keeping mission that all countries in Europe can easily supply. Europe then makes that deal for the rich critical minerals...shutting out North Korea, Russia and the United States.

    Oh wait, Trump will then see what is happening and would want back IN on that peace keeping mission in hopes of saying they're leading the way "as usual" and should be rewarded with access to the rich critical minerals.

    Worst case scenario, Russia or North Korea back stabs the United States as many global military experts predict will happy.

    Once again, the United States will then ask for help from its neighbours in the North and say it's sorry for turning a blind eye to the aggression of those other global Dictators who now have their eyes set on another prize...the United States of America.

    Will Europe or Canada help the United Stated when the worst case scenario occurs or will they turn a blind eye when we need them to fight off Russia, North Korea or China???

    #chaos that we did not have before and America needs to wake up instead of pretending it can invade Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal or Gaze for the rich resources or strategic territorial.

    In the mean time, Europe gets the applause from Ukraine and then thumbs it's noise at the United States because Europe becomes the country who broker the deal for peace by ending Russia's aggression...something the United States (Trump/Vance) failed to do.

    Colonialism (territorial expansion) and money are a very dangerous goal for countries who want to be Great Again who then needs immigration to fuel that territorial expansion because their territorial expansion into other countries by agreements or War under the facade of wanting peace was just a BIG LIE that lead to almost 100 millions of people losing their life in the two great World Wars because countries wanted to INVADE other countries to gain access to the resources (e.g. land, oil, minerals, and energy) that country has.

    Germany did it, France did it, Italy did it, Russia (Soviet Union) did it, Spain did it, Mexico did it, Dutch did it, Japan did it, China did it, others have done it, and now the United States wants do it....I call bullshit on all of this territorial colonialism. It has NEVER led to peace but only to WAR...million and millions of lost lives.

    It's a historical history lesson that Trump/Vance seem oblivious to. United States needs to pull out of NATO to learn the consequences under the illusion they did it for financial reasons because other countries were not using a larger percentage of their GDP to fund NATO when in reality its about expanding our territorial without NATO holding us back.

    No NATO...no one to stop us. A cruel lesson we must learn about the consequences of aligning with countries like Russia, North Korea, or China.

    #colonialism
    #chaos


    P.S. I love Wrangler jeans...I think I have 15 pairs and still no holes in them. Very durable even in very cold weather here in Canada, in France, in South Korea or at any ski resort as long as I wear spandex under them. :D

    wrbtrader
     
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  6. volpri

    volpri

    Great idea KICK US OUT OF NATO. Please don't wait fir us to pull out. BOOT US OUT! WE DON'T need NATO. Time will tell who is a dictator.
     
    #76     Mar 2, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I am quite perceptive and I understand narcissists, not only from being an Anti Poaching Ranger / sniper who dealt with plenty of trophy hunters. I have spent much of the first two years of the war supporting Ukrainian snipers with practical help. Vol might stand for Volume but given your sudden interest in this..

    So what might be the Pri in Volpri? Privalov, Prigozhin, Prikhodko, Primakov? Volodymyr is quite Ukrainian I'll admit but who knows really.

    You are suspect.
     
    #77     Mar 2, 2025
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    It does not matter if we walk out on our own or kicked out out of NATO...at the end of the day we just need to be out because Trump has been singing that tune since the day he entered Politics.

    America at the expense of Democracy needs to go all the way with Trump on that because our country voted a convicted felon 34x into power for it. It's now too late to pretend we did not know the consequences of pulling out of NATO and then aligning our country with other Dictator countries who want to also expand their territories.​

    Yet, his desired for alignment with Russia and their allies is new (since Trump's 1st term) is becoming more of a reality. I'm now expecting an explosion of immigration to the United States towards the end of Trump's last term...immigrants from Russia, North Korea, China, and others except the Middle East.

    Regardless, when in the hell did critical rare earth minerals in Ukraine make that country the center of global peace or War ???

    I have always thought it was a war torn country on the edge of Russia and nothing more.

    ...In the run-up to Zelenskyy’s visit to the White House, Trump has been pushing for Ukraine to grant the U.S. rights to the country’s substantial natural resources, which include rare earth elements, critical minerals such as titanium and lithium, coal, oil and natural gas reserves...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/know-ukraines-mineral-wealth-rcna194070

    The common denominator in all of the worst global wars was Oil (black gold that Trump loves to say).

    wrbtrader
     
    #78     Mar 2, 2025
  9. ElCubano

    ElCubano

     
    #79     Mar 2, 2025
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  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    What I have to wonder is how @volpri who is as likely Native Amercian descent, is craven enough to support Trump who has a long history of regarding Indians as lowly creatures?
     
    #80     Mar 2, 2025
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