Washington Navy Yard - Terrorism or Nutcase?

Ricter · Sep 17, 2013

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Land of outlawed guns has over 1000 stabbings a month in London alone:

1,000 knife crime victims in London each month, shocking new figures show

Up to 1,000 people a month are victims of knife crime in London, according to alarming new statistics.

They show that around 400 a month are being injured in attacks â many of them seriously â while others are being threatened. In the first four months of the year, 11 people were murdered in knife attacks. Four teenagers have been stabbed to death so far this year.

The statistics, obtained after a Freedom of Information request, reveal that there were 1,038 victims of knife crime in London in January, of which 410 were injured and four killed. The remainder were threatened with knives.

The figures for February show there was a total of 818 victims, in March there were 993, and in April there were 892 victims. The number injured in attacks reached a peak of 420 in April, the equivalent of 14 people a day.

In total for the first four months, 284 were seriously injured with knives, 413 suffered âmoderateâ injuries and 870 minor injuries.

The figures come as Mohamed Abdullahi, 20, was stabbed to death in Islington on Saturday in a suspected gang feud.

Lyn Costello, the founder of Mothers Against Murder and Aggression, said: âAlthough we have seen less homicides through knife crime than in the same period of previous years, the figures for knife crime overall remain astoundingly high. We must continue to do all we can in order to reduce these numbers.â

Camilla Batmanghelidjh, the founder of youth charity Kids Company, also said knife crime levels in London remained very high. âWe do not see any signs that the violence among young people on the street is going down.

"I expect the numbers of young people being injured is probably more than these figures show. Most young people do not turn up to medical services once they have been stabbed. Their anxiety is that police will be called and they will be identified.â

She said her charity used metal detecting knife arches to stop young people bringing knives onto their premises but staff found they were hiding weapons outside. âOur staff do a trawl of places outside and we continue to pick up a lot of knives. On the last count we had five in one week.â

Yard insiders say while the number of murders in London is falling, young people are still attacking each other with knives and guns.

Detectives say many lives are being saved because of the skill of surgeons and the speed of getting victims to hospital by ambulance and the London Air Ambulance.

Martin Griffiths, a consultant trauma surgeon from Barts Health NHS Trust, said survival rates of people injured in knife and other attacks had improved since a re-organisation of major trauma centres in London. âIf we look at all assaults, including domestic violence, I think the numbers are the same if not more than before.â

He said trusts such as Barts now had trauma centres with surgeons, anaesthetists and nurses who were all specialists in dealing with violent injury.

Scotland Yard said knife crime in general is falling in London and the majority of incidents involved threats to use a knife.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said the number of people in London injured as a result of knives fell 28% between April 2012 and March 2013.

He said: âWe have continued to see reductions since April 2013, however, we are not complacent. We are continuing to invest more officers in proactively tackling those who use knives in London. â
Shopkeeper, 64 stabbed in head protecting his wares

Shopkeeper Ashok Patel, pictured top was stabbed repeatedly in the head as he bravely defended his shop from armed thieves last December.

Mr Patel, 64, grabbed a baseball bat to chase off the raiders but when he slipped the thieves pounced on him, using kitchen knives to stab his head, stomach and hand and then left him for dead.

Mr Patel, who has owned the off licence for 13 years, spent two days in hospital recovering after receiving 24 stitches to a deep wound in his head.

He said: âI wanted to save my life and my shop so I shouted at them and took up the baseball bat. I was very scared and they stabbed me in my head and stomach. My head still goes round and round and I canât move my left arm very well.

âThey could have killed me and they wanted to, so I am so lucky.â

Troy Mangal and Ibrahim Jama, both from Holloway, and Yousef Musa, from Canonbury, were last week sentenced to a total of 34 years in jail for the attack.

Mr Patel said: âItâs a horrible thing to happen to anyone. The first time I saw the attack was in the court room and when they showed it to me I was very afraid.â

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Anyway, let's be thankful those guys don't have GUNS! Think how much worse it could be!

Lucrum · Sep 17, 2013

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Anyway, let's be thankful those guys don't have GUNS! Think how much worse it could be!
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...or pressure cookers. Then it would really be bad.

Lucrum · Sep 17, 2013

I noticed on the news earlier that NOW they have armed guards at the entrances to the Navy yard.

They afraid the shooter will come back to life and revisit the crime scene?

Our federal government, always a day late and a dollar short.

LEAPup · Sep 17, 2013

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I love it. AR 15 made for murder. We should start carrying the guns that are made for tickling.
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Did you guys know that the new town shooter never used an Ar-15? Yep, only two semi auto handguns were used. The ar was in the trunk of the car. That's right, America has been lied to since the shooting, and since its "PC" to target guns vs lunatics, the lie goes on...

Lucrum · Sep 17, 2013

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Did you guys know that the new town shooter never used an Ar-15? Yep, only two semi auto handguns were used. The ar was in the trunk of the car. That's right, America has been lied to since the shooting, and since its "PC" to target guns vs lunatics, the lie goes on...
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As if you need an "assault rifle" to commit a mass shooting.

Charles Joseph Whitman killed seventeen people and wounded thirty-two August 1, 1966. Although he had one semi-auto rifle an M1 carbine. And the first several killed (not counting his mother and wife) while he was gaining access to the tower were shot with a shotgun. As far as I can tell his primary weapon was a bolt action Remington 6mm rifle.

Another point I found very interesting. Civilians stood alongside police using their own weapons helping to put suppressive fire on Whitman. While another armed civilian went up the tower with police to help put Whitman out of action.

Can you imagine armed citizens being allowed to assist in something like that these days?

Tsing Tao · Sep 18, 2013

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Anyway, let's be thankful those guys don't have GUNS! Think how much worse it could be!
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It wouldn't be worse at all. You typically hesitate in trying to shoot someone you know has a gun.

Lucrum · Sep 18, 2013

Navy yard shooter passed a federal background check as recently as June of this year.

A lot of fucking good it did.

CaptainObvious · Sep 18, 2013

Just to add some perspective:
NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO IN 2011
441

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO IN 2012
535

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO AS OF
Aug 28, 2013
300

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO IN 2011
2,217

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS IN 2012
2,670

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF July 31, 2013
1,400

Lucrum · Sep 19, 2013

AP: FRC Shooter Sentenced to 25 Years; No Mention Corkins Admitted Inspiration From SPLC 'Hate Map'

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-sh...ntion-corkins-admitted-inspirat#ixzz2fNHC998m

Ricter · Sep 19, 2013

This guy never would have been able to pass a background check in Canada and buy the guns he did. You say something "crazy" in Canada and they come and take your guns.