What are some techniques to get over the fear of making trades.

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by klattermusen, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. A systematic trader should (and after a while always does) know that things don't work forever and that you can get carried out on an event etc. With regard to uncertainty she's similar to a discretionary trader; in fact I'd argue that systematic trading is a continuum with different traders falling on different spots on the spectrum. Decisions about scaling risk up/down, changing parameters or shutting down specific alphas can all be very emotional decisions.

    It's not about the statistical approach (every seasoned trader understands that he's essentially tossing a biased coin), it's about the emotional acceptance of the uncertain outcome. If you are afraid of losing money, meditate on it like the samurais mediated on dying (see here: http://strivingforfreedom.com/death-meditation/). If that does not help, hire a psychologist. I have, unfortunately, seen very smart systematic traders who could not deal with the mental aspect and have, at times, struggled with it myself (it is especially hard after a long flat period or a drawdown).
     
    #31     Dec 13, 2020
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  2. ValeryN

    ValeryN

    Isn't "emotional acceptance of the uncertain outcome" is all about really understanding and truly accepting statistical approach?

    Emotional acceptance might be a cherry on top of accepting the statistical approach, to complete oneself as a some sort of perfectly-efficient-trader-creature. If one begins with accepting uncertain outcome backed up by nothing else then there is no reason to filter out all sorts of bogus methods not backed up by anything other than someone says it works great. Then down the rabbit hole long enough and.. might as well start challenging if the acceptance of the uncertain outcome was the right choice.

    In other words - a system has certain stats, until it doesn't, and that has its' own stats ;)

    Val
     
    #32     Dec 14, 2020
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  3. %%
    That;
    + [sss] small size start.Plenty of liquid stuff he can ramp up some.NO way to get upset with small size.
    And sounds like some one has been spending too much time with negative news+ not enough time with price data.
    Have to also consider the fear/of missing all the moves. Hope this helps/it helps me.
     
    #33     Dec 17, 2020
  4. Dwayne

    Dwayne

    Very well said. Practice is what's going to free you from the fears.
     
    #34     Dec 18, 2020
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  5. Obviously, trade small so you do not care, trade well so you win small, and trade to scale up when over the hump.
     
    #35     Dec 18, 2020
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  6. Fonz

    Fonz

    You use to be an excellent trader: What makes you stop trading? You really should work on your answer.
    Also, are you afraid of losing or wining? No joke here, afraid of losing can easily be controlled, afraid of wining is more complicated: Why do you think you don't deserve to win anymore? See my first question.
    It seems you feel that you need help or "help appreciated" as you wrote it.
    Nothing wrong here, and a therapist (yes, a shrink) could help.
    I wish you the best.
     
    #36     Dec 18, 2020
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  7. easymon1

    easymon1

    Where's OP?
     
    #37     Dec 18, 2020
  8. %%
    MOSTLY;
    except its not really a biased coin toss/unless one uses a silver coin.
    OP noted 20 years ago, so he's thinking 2000.NOT likely\ 2000 move; but expecting more of a roller/\coaster until JAN 20 or FEB.
    EVEN if one loses money with spxs/spxu/sqqq its still small size/so no excuse to avoid market thru FEB.
    NOT a prediction, not a weather prediction, not a vaccine gov guinea pig. LOL.................
     
    #38     Dec 18, 2020
  9. 931

    931

    I test for historical drawdown with heightened spread and maintain some room for automatic kill switch, to take emotion away.
    Multi instrument test allows cancellation of individual losses/profits out and generate smoother graphs of closed and floating balances.
    If floating balance goes too far from over historical tested drawdown ,autokill orders.

    Also working on mobile status reporting and kill switch , to get notifications on account status changes and manually close orders on android device.

    Its emotional to think that some edges took years to find and at some point could be useless, + low capital that didnot allow to take most out of it.
     
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2020
    #39     Dec 20, 2020
  10. %% Mostly true
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    Mostly true.
    BUT 5 years up in QQQ could cause me to be wary of QQQ trending as strongly as first 5.
    BUT as a practical matter,op is either trading to big, no system, or not enough chart study.
    NO way the 2nd five years[after qqq uptrending 5 years] would cause me to not pull the trigger on a good trend.
    Fear on pulling the trigger can be a good profitable help on qqq long exits or entry on inverse like SPXS; not a stock tip not a prediction/not bank insured
    ...........................................................................................:caution::caution::caution::caution::caution:
     
    #40     Dec 21, 2020