What size trading account would you need in order to make $50 per day trading /scalping?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Narcissus 9, Jul 15, 2023.

  1. deaddog

    deaddog

    That will depend on your skill at trading/scalping, not on your account size.
     
    #11     Jul 15, 2023
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  2. faust

    faust

    0-1DTEs for intraday, 7-30DTEs for swing. 25-50 deltas (sweetspot for gamma turbo booster thrusters and cushion in case goes against you.) Exponentially grow a 3-4 figure acct into 5-6, withdraw profits, repeat, compound. Trend momentum with options - convexity & hedging benefits, unlike in cash/spot shares/futures/FX.
     
    #12     Jul 15, 2023
  3. BKR88

    BKR88

    A few brokers have pretty small margins for daytrading the micros.

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    #13     Jul 15, 2023
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  4. ETJ

    ETJ

    What instruments have you traded up until now and what has your performance been? With some base calculations, some expectations can be set. Otherwise, it's all math without any expectancy.
     
    #14     Jul 15, 2023
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  5. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    Exactly …

    Give us your expectancy and we can tell what size you need to make 50$ per day in average.

    Example … Over 100 days …

    P(Win) is 2/5 per day
    Reward to risk is 2
    E(x) is 20% (x)
    Half Kelly is 5% (y)

    Account size * x * y = 50$
    Account size = 5,000$

    You need 5k to risk 250$ per day and return 50$ per day in average.

    Some day you might :
    - Lose 250$ (3/5)
    - Gain 500$ (2/5)

    But as some have pointed out …
    Trading isn’t a game of cards …
    Way more variability !

    Past Performance isn’t Indicative of Future Performance.
     
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    #15     Jul 15, 2023
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  6. Those margins stay that low as long as you day trade. If you hold your position overnight regular margins apply.
    I wonder if you really are holding a proper futures contract with those brokers during the day.
     
    #16     Jul 16, 2023
  7. VicBee

    VicBee

    Give this guy a break. His lack of experience leads him to seek a daily return when, in fact, he means an avg daily return. Also, still lacking experience, I doubt he is referring to options or any non basic trading, thus buying and selling shares of companies traded on NYSE or NASDAQ.

    Provided that an aggressive fund can be expected to return an avg of X% per year over 20 years, you, as a trader are expected to earn X+Y% to gain an avg $50/day or you would hand your cash over to the managed fund.
     
    #17     Jul 16, 2023
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  8. virtusa

    virtusa

    If someone asks me that question, one thing is clear: he is not ready at all to trade with any size. He should first built a consistent, profitable tradeplan.

    When he achieved that, the tradeplan will clearly show how much money he needs and what size to trade at start.
     
    #18     Jul 16, 2023
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  9. virtusa

    virtusa

    Use these margins and you will wipe out your "account" in days, or even in a few hours.
     
    #19     Jul 16, 2023
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  10. I often see penny stocks go up in a day by 100% or more. I once got in at the right price at premarket with MSGM and turned $76 into $625 in one day with 10 shares.

    Proof
    https://ibb.co/dWyTc3b
    https://ibb.co/Cs8RvbZ

    That's the best trade I have made so far since beginning trading a year ago.

    My question is, I often see penny stocks go up 100% or more. What if I invested $5,000 or a large sum of money into one of those stocks and it went up 100% or more in a day? Would I then have made $5,000 and doubled my money in 24 hours?
     
    #20     Jul 16, 2023