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  1. Everyone here...I was raising an issue true for all Presidents and trying to stop the Trump v. whoever debate haha
     
    #11     Oct 3, 2019
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  2. easymon1

    easymon1

    mr bugenhagen,
    aint nobody got time for dat!
    lol
    cheers
     
    #12     Oct 3, 2019
  3. easymon1

    easymon1

    nq was movin' and groovin' ToDay.

    now, then,
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    Source Documentation Value is demonstrated in spades.
    1 Schiff says Trump call with Ukraine president was a ‘shakedown’, PBS NewsHour
    2 Foreign Affairs Issue Launch With Joe Biden, Council on Foreign Relations
    3 Declassified by order of the President, SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine

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    Schiff says who sounds like a mafia boss. Agree? Disagree?
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    Schiff says Trump call with Ukraine president was a ‘shakedown’
    PBS NewsHour



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    Foreign Affairs Issue Launch With Joe Biden
    Council on Foreign Relations

    video is cued to the minute and second of the transcript text below.



    " . . . So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference.

    I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars.
    They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president.

    The president said—I said, call him.

    (Laughter.)


    I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars.

    I said, you’re not getting the billion.
    I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours.

    I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours.
    If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.

    Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.)
    He got fired.

    And they put in place someone who was solid at the time.


    Well, there’s still—so they made some genuine substantial changes institutionally and with people. "

    https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden

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    Adam Schiff’s dramatized version of the Trump-Zelensky call

    Finally, Trump did not say Zelensky could not call back until he’d satisfied Trump’s demands, as Schiff said.
    In reality, the call ended with Trump congratulating Zelensky on his election.

    "I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine," Trump told Zelensky, according to the readout. "We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much

    more than the European countries are doing."

    "The United States has been very very good to Ukraine," Trump continued. "I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are

    happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine."

    (not borne out by facts)
    Later in the call, Trump said, "I would like you to do us a favor though." Trump asked Zelensky to look into a cybersecurity company called

    CrowdStrike and a "server" he believes is in Ukraine. He said he would have Attorney General Bill Barr call Zelensky.

    Zelensky responded that one of his assistants had spoken already to Giuliani and promised Trump that "all the investigations will be done

    openly and candidly." At that point, Trump steered the conversation to the Bidens and Ukraine’s ousted former prosecutor general.

    "I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair," Trump said, according to the readout.

    "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that

    so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great," he continued.

    (borne out by Biden's CFR comments on camera)
    "Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

    So, Trump never explicitly asked Zelensky to "make up dirt" on Biden, as Schiff said. And he did not repeat the demand seven times — a

    detail Schiff admitted was exaggerated.

    But Trump did, however, urge Zelensky to investigate Biden on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation. He mentioned the ousted Ukrainian

    prosecutor twice, and he repeatedly said he’d get Zelensky in touch with Giuliani and Barr.

    Finally, Trump did not say Zelensky could not call back until he’d satisfied Trump’s demands, as Schiff said. In reality, the call ended with

    Trump congratulating Zelensky on his election.

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    UNCLASSIFIED
    Declassified by order of the President
    September 24, 2019
    MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
    SUBJECT: Telephone Conversation with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
    Participants: President Zelenskyy of Ukraine
    Notetakers: The White House Situation Room
    Date, Time July 25, 2019, 9:03-9:33 am EDT
    and Place: Residence

    The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from

    behind, somebody who wasn't given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It's a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.

    President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to

    confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an

    example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a

    unique success. I'm able to tell you the following; the first time you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and

    the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me

    more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

    The President: (laughter) That's a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.

    President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country.

    We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new

    type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.

    The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much

    more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All

    they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but

    she ·doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United

    States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but

    the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

    President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela

    Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be

    doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine.

    It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger

    partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more

    than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for

    your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy

    more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

    The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I

    would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your

    wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding

    yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the

    bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an

    incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's

    possible.

    President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important

    and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and

    Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very

    experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him

    having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that

    one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and

    we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure

    that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you

    Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in

    addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can

    assure you.

    The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people

    are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a

    highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along

    with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be

    great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were

    bad news so I just want to let you know that.



    The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so

    whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can

    look into it... It sounds horrible to me.



    President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I'm knowledgeable about the situation. Since we

    have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved,

    by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you

    mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take

    care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that

    you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the

    Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me

    that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous

    President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

    The President: Well, she's going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney

    General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I'm sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was

    a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It's a

    great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.

    President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I

    traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see

    them again in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other

    hand, I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is

    much potential for our two countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be

    very successful and cooperating on energy independence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American

    oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know

    each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your support.

    The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever

    you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we'll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.

    President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know

    you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the city of Kyiv which is a

    beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that on September 1 we will be in Poland

    and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and

    go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than mine.

    The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to

    be there at that time.

    President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.

    The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you've done. The whole world was watching. I'm not sure it was so much of an upset but

    congratulations.

    President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.
    - - End of conversation - -
     
    #13     Oct 3, 2019
  4. easymon1

    easymon1

    This entire clip is so fine.

    but as always, it is cued to the sweet spot minute 5:11 seconds,
    Time permitting, grab a beverage and enjoy the entire seven minutes.



    mr mrs hollywood.jpg



    Zoe Hewitt talks with Kathleen Sharp about her book, Mr. & Mrs. Hollywood. Ever wonder why so many B actors wind up as A-grade politicians? Or how the casting couch worked? Acclaimed author Kathleen Sharp traces the influence of show business through the lives of its first power couple. Edie and Lew Wasserman built the world's largest talent agency, MCA, created the multibillion-dollar Universal Studios, and helped shape Washington, DC. Starting from MCA's birth in gangland Chicago, Lew represented stars such as Jimmy Stewart and Marilyn Monroe; pioneered TV with Leave It to Beaver and Miami Vice; spawned the blockbuster movie model with Psycho and Jaws; and developed a mega theme park. His savvy wife, Edie, was the daughter of a mob attorney, the queen of A-list parties, and Lew's secret agent who boosted their status. Yet, the couple was attacked by rivals, federal prosecutors, and their own proteges. Even so, over the course of seven decades they managed to vanquish their enemies and parlay their influence far beyond Sunset Strip into governors mansions, Senate chambers, and the White House. At the end, Edie and Lew became diplomats, kingmakers, and philanthropists, who elevated the fortunes of middle-class workers and California itself. Based on some four hundred interviews, this book features Janet Leigh, Clark Gable, Grace Kelly, John Belushi, Jean Stein, and Steven Spielberg along with the Kennedys, the Johnsons, the Reagans, and the Clintons. It's a fascinating read about how two kids from Cleveland created the largest entertainment conglomerate in the world and wound up ruling twentieth-century America.

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