White house ready to institute Universal Basic Income

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Amun Ra, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. smallfil

    smallfil

    Here is a better idea. Raise taxes on the extreme liberals of Hollywood, Academia, Social Media Companies, etc. Call it a nuisance tax. Force them to give up 15% of their income above say $10 million. See, I am being generous. Now, who should those monies go to? It should go to US taxpayers who have paid taxes in the past and with incomes below $50,000 per annum. That should lift up Americans who have paid into the US Treasury and have been gainful US citizens. If you did not pay a lick of taxes, you should not get anything. We can base it on all the Federal taxes you have paid in the past 20-25 years times 20% of that. You should get back atleast, that much. Call it a Claw Back rebate on taxes paid.
     
    #31     Sep 22, 2021
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  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Paying farmers not to farm? Can we just skip ahead to UBI at this point?

    I remember back in time the federal government was paying many farmers not to farm during the 80s in Pennsylvania and other states. Dairy farmers were also being paid about $1000 for each dairy cow they "processed" due to a milk glut. The new policy put in place over the Colorado River is more of the same.

    The question becomes -- what level of farm support in the U.S. is appropriate. I can understand government supported crop insurance, government supported grants/loans for farmers and types of price supports for crops (government buying excesses in some seasons) --- however paying farmers NOT to do work seems like a step too far at some point.


    States Finally Reach Colorado River Deal: Pay Farmers Not to Farm
    https://gizmodo.com/states-finally-reach-colorado-river-deal-pay-farmers-n-1850464581

    After a year of intense negotiations, the states along the Colorado River have reached a deal to solve one of the most complex water crises in U.S. history. The solution to this byzantine conundrum is deceptive in its simplicity: pay farmers — who collectively use 80 percent of Colorado River deliveries — to give up their water.

    Representatives from Arizona, Nevada, and California announced on Monday that they had agreed to reduce their states’ collective water usage by more than 3 million acre-feet over the next three years. That equals around a trillion gallons, or roughly 13 percent of the states’ total water usage. Under the terms of the deal, cities and irrigation districts in these so-called “Lower Basin” states will receive around $1.2 billion from the Biden administration’s Inflation Reduction Act, or IRA, in exchange for using less water. Most of the reductions are likely to come from farming operations.

    Many had anticipated a more painful resolution to the crisis. Rather than taking mandatory cuts and losing out on billions of dollars from crop sales, irrigators in the southwest will get millions of dollars to reduce their water usage for just three years — and will cut their usage by less than half of what federal officials demanded last year.

    This rosy outcome is only possible because of a wet winter that blanketed the river basin with snow and stabilized water levels in its two main reservoirs, Lake Powell and Lake Mead. Thanks to the ample runoff, the states could lower their target enough that the federal government could afford to compensate them for almost all of it.

    This deal also resolves a key dispute between Arizona and California, the two largest water users on the river, which have clashed over how to respond to the water shortage. California has argued that Arizona should take the most cuts as the most junior user on the river, while Arizona argued that the cuts should be spread more evenly between all the states. The disagreement caused negotiations to drag out for months, and it’s only thanks to the payout from the federal government that they reached an accord.

    These compensated cuts are larger than anything the river states have ever implemented before, but they are temporary, a Band-Aid for a crisis that is not going away any time soon. When the three-year agreement expires in 2026, the states will have to come back to the table again and address the elephant in the room: If water use is growing, and the river’s size is shrinking, some people are going to have to make do with less — not temporarily, but for good.

    “This is a step in the right direction but a temporary solution,” said Dave White, a professor at Arizona State University who studies sustainability policy. “This deal does not address the long-term water sustainability challenges in the region.”

    The basic blueprint of the deal is not new. Federal and state agencies in the Colorado River basin have tried to pay farmers to use less water before, but they have had difficulty scaling up these compensation measures. That’s in part because many farmers view the measures as an affront to their industry, even when they’re compensated. When a group of states in the river’s Upper Basin relaunched a dormant conservation program earlier this year, offering farmers money to leave their fields unplanted, just 88 water users across four states ended up participating.

    The other issue is that conserving water is expensive. In order to convince farmers to plant fewer acres, officials need to give them more money per acre-foot of water than they would have made from selling crops on a given field. In California’s Imperial Valley, the “salad bowl” region that grows almost all the nation’s winter vegetables, irrigation officials have paid growers to invest in technology that makes their farms more efficient. But farmers in the valley have balked at the idea of taking money to leave their fields unplanted, especially as vegetable prices have remained high.

    “Water is a valuable asset, and I think people are nervous about parting with it, because it kind of suggests that you don’t really need it after all,” said George Frisvold, an extension specialist at the University of Arizona who studies agricultural policy. “I think there’s real concern that this is voluntary now, but it could come back and bite you.”

    The Biden administration has resolved those issues for the moment by offering a very generous price for conservation under the new deal. The compensation arrangement in the new deal works out to about $521 an acre-foot on average — three times the price in the Upper Basin pilot program and almost twice the conservation rate in the Imperial Valley’s program.

    Frisvold says these payments will be hard to maintain over the long term.

    “We have a bunch of IRA money to pay for this right now,” he told Grist. “But is this going to be an ongoing thing? It’s kind of up in the air.”

    Until recently, these experimental conservation programs were just that — experiments. But over the past two years, as a once-in-a-millennium drought has all but emptied out the river’s two main reservoirs, the river states have scrambled to cut their water usage and stop draining the river. It is all but impossible to do that without using less water for agriculture.

    The Biden administration kicked off the scramble last summer by delivering an ultimatum to the river states. While testifying before Congress in June, a senior official from the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation ordered the states to cut their water consumption by between 2 and 4 million acre-feet, or as much as a third of the river’s normal annual flow. The administration threatened to impose unilateral water cuts if the states couldn’t reach a deal on their own.

    The states tangled for months over who should shoulder the burden of reducing water usage. The so-called Upper Basin states of Colorado, Utah, Wyoming, and New Mexico pointed the finger at Arizona and California, which together consume the majority of the river’s water. Meanwhile, representatives from California insisted that legal precedent shields the Golden State from taking cuts and that Arizona should bear the pain. (It isn’t clear whether the other four states on the river’s Upper Basin will make any corresponding reductions.)

    In the end it was a very wet winter rather than a diplomatic breakthrough that helped ease tension between the states. Thanks to historic snowpack in the Rocky Mountains, it’s likely that water levels at Lake Powell and Lake Mead will stabilize this summer, even if just for a few months. This plentiful runoff has made the worst-case outcomes for the river much less likely and has given the states some breathing room to negotiate smaller cuts.

    The new target was just small enough to make voluntary conservation feasible with the money from the Inflation Reduction Act: In the final hours of the debate over the bill last year, Senator Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona negotiated a $4 billion tranche of funding for “drought response.” That money will anchor the deal for the next three years, but it’s unclear whether payments will continue after that.

    The big question now is what happens at the end of 2026, when the conservation deal will expire and when states and tribes will gather to negotiate the river’s long-term future. At that point, the river’s water users will once again debate the big questions that this deal has allowed them to punt on: How much water use can a shrinking river support? Who should use less water to account for the river’s decline? How can the government make whole the tribal nations that still don’t have their water?

    Even amid the relief surrounding Monday’s deal, some water officials were already looking ahead.

    “This proposal protects the system in the short term so we can dedicate our energy and resources to a longer-term solution,” said Brenda Burman, the manager of the Central Arizona Project water authority, which delivers water to Phoenix and Tucson, in a press release. “There’s a lot to do and it’s time to focus.”

    This article originally appeared in Grist at https://grist.org/drought/colorado-river-deal-arizona-nevada-california-conservation-agriculture/.
     
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    #32     May 23, 2023
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  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    #33     May 23, 2023
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    For Republicans --- you can't have both, eh?

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    #34     May 23, 2023
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I've not read it. But I'd be open to UBI if it replaced the current safety net (welfare, food stamps and the like). The savings on the administration of all those many programs alone would be massive.
     
    #35     May 23, 2023
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  6. zdreg

    zdreg

    The savings will never happen. Government jobs are lifetime jobs.
     
    #36     May 23, 2023
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Free Money? What a UBI Would Really Do to People ... and Our National Debt
     
    #37     Apr 26, 2025
  8. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Its odd, a moment ago I was reading a seemingly out of place quote posted by the Captain that relates to UBI.

    Though it may make more sense in the context of a
    a slightly broader excerpt around that quote from Factotum:

    • "I could see the faces around me. They had the dead look. They worked eight, ten hours a day and then came home to some small room, ate little, fucked little, and at night fell asleep, unused. Nothing was left. No one was left.

    • And what hurts is the steadily diminishing humanity of those fighting to hold jobs they don't want but fear the alternative worse. People simply empty out. They are bodies with fearful and obedient minds. The color leaves the eye. The voice becomes ugly. And the body."

    So it seems you can't really please everybody, too much compulsion to work is bad, none at all can be bad too. However in the video he misrepresents what the Altman backed UBI study found. I recall reading it was an overall benefit to most and notably to their health.

    The reduction in working hours was small, about 1.3 hours per week on average.

    This suggests that $1,000 a month isn’t enough to make people quit their jobs or fully opt out of the workforce. Instead, it seems to offer a cushion that eases the pressure of bare survival, allowing people to focus a little more on health, education, or other pursuits without the constant fear of immediate financial collapse.

    The health benefits reported in the study were also significant, people were more likely to seek medical and dental care, and there was less stress and food insecurity. This makes sense: when basic needs are less of a constant source of anxiety, it’s easier to take care of yourself. While the study found that these benefits faded over time, the improvement in quality of life in the first year was notable.

    The tolerability of boring work isn’t necessarily about changing the job itself, but about changing the perception of it, if people don’t feel forced into it out of desperation, it may feel less like an oppressive obligation and more like a choice among their options. The future scarcity of work for humans, the reason to stick with it.

    The freedom to quit can make the act of continuing to work feel more like a personal decision, rather than something they have to do to survive.
     
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    #38     Apr 27, 2025
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