Who plans to get the covid 19 VACCINE when it comes out

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by Gekko2020, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I assume you question the audacity of the experience. On reddit you can actually read a poster's hundreds of old posts to see if he/she is legit. Not to mention similar experiences galore and no, they are not the same word for word.

    So you just have to accept that your kind is shall we say, dumbass?
     
    #941     Jan 13, 2022
  2. They

    They

    Go ahead and validate your information by reading hundreds of Reddit posts. Or maybe you just need to post with some detailed facts instead of only blasting your fear porn megaphone. If you do, you'll have more credibility instead of looking like Chicken Little and people like me won't make fun of your posts.

    For example, according to the CDC only 5% of reported Covid deaths in the USA had Covid as their sole cause. 95% of reported Covid deaths occurred in patients with an 'average' of 4 comorbidities. Covid really is the #OverweightSickBoomerRemover.

    Already there was a less than 1% chance of dying from Covid and if you factor out comorbidities it goes down into the 1/10s of a percentile.

    PS. You can get some actual ICU bed numbers from the link in my previous post.
    PPS. You might want to see a therapist about your fear-porn addiction, dumbass.


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    #942     Jan 13, 2022
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  3. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    If I don't respond to someone the person either made it to my Ignore list or I just stopped reading his posts, because what's the point? Anyway...

    Looks like my prediction was double right. The current US infection chart looks like a nice double top, the higher happened on January 7th (first week of January, as predicted) and the second slightly lower 6 days later (again, predicted for last We or Th). The infection rate in the North East has been falling, for example in NJ for 7 days. Even Ohio has 6 days straight drops. The rest of the country will peak a few days or week later but those numbers won't surpass the previous ones.

    The death numbers should peak in the next few days. As mentioned earlier, shouldn't really go over 2.5K, much lower than a year ago. And both infection and death will collapse quickly. I say the average daily death will be below 800 in 2 weeks. In a month we will be down to 2-300 daily.
     
    #943     Jan 19, 2022
  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    You do realize that about 1/3 of the American population have underlying medical conditions including children that most of them do not realize they have.

    Just as important, it only takes a small percentage of that 1/3 population to not only put our healthcare system in jeopardy with severe Covid ill patients...it then prevents other non-Covid patients from receiving proper healthcare...increasing a negative outcome from their non-Covid illness or injury.

    My brother is a Doctor, currently, his hospital is so full of severely ill Covid patients...they were treating a heart attack patient in a hallway next to a bathroom. Just as bad, some of those severely ill Covid patients are there on their 2nd or 3rd Covid illness while refusing to get vaccinated and/or refusing to wear a face mask.

    That's fucked up because we live in an unhealthy society...physically and mentally. They are in some ways...more dangerous than Covid itself and its understandable why some governments in the world have now decided to view these types of people as a threat to the rest of their citizens.

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    #944     Jan 19, 2022
  5. themickey

    themickey

    Blood thinner could be used to treat and stop transmission of COVID-19

    By Dana Daniel January 20, 2022 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...transmission-of-covid-19-20220119-p59pfa.html

    Patients at four hospitals in NSW and Victoria are set to undergo treatment with a cheap, readily available drug that scientists believe can dramatically improve outcomes for those infected with COVID-19.

    Heparin is a common blood thinner that has been in use for decades. Australian National University researchers are coordinating multiple studies aiming to prove it is effective in preventing severe disease among coronavirus patients when inhaled directly into the lungs.

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    ANU Professor Frank van Haren simulates administering inhaled heparin.Credit:Kate Geraghty

    ANU study lead Professor Frank van Haren said initial results indicate the drug could be “a promising treatment” and also “a possible preventative against the virus” with breathing and oxygen levels improving in 70 per cent of patients after they inhaled a course of heparin.

    “If it is as effective as our early results suggest, it could have a major impact in our fight against COVID,” Professor van Haren said.

    Researchers around the world are tracking hospital patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 13 countries who were given doses of inhaled heparin, which is administered through an inhaler similar to the ones used to treat asthma.

    When the study began, Australia did not have enough people infected with COVID-19 to test the drug on patients here, but now trials are beginning at St George Hospital in Kogarah, the John Hunter Hospital in Newcastle, Sydney’s Royal North Shore Hospital and St Vincent’s Melbourne.

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    Patients ill with COVID-19 will be given heparin to inhale as early results show it reduces the severity of the disease. Credit:Kate Geraghty

    A randomised, peer reviewed study of 98 patients, to be published in the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology on Thursday, found heparin was safe, with no concerning side effects among patients who inhaled a therapeutic dose of the drug.

    While the larger, ongoing international study would provide a “definitive” answer about the treatment’s efficacy, Professor van Haren said the new safety findings were crucial.

    “It’s super important to know that the new treatment and new way of giving something is actually safe, that it doesn’t do any harm,” he said. “There is still an urgent need for an effective treatment of COVID-19.”

    Co-author Professor Clive Page, from King’s College London, who is co-leading the global studies, said inhaled heparin had antiviral properties “which work by binding to the spike proteins the coronavirus uses to enter the cells of the body.”

    “Inhaled heparin effectively stops the virus infecting cells in the lungs and could also stop people from getting the virus from others,” Professor Page said.

    “It also works as an anti-inflammatory drug; the medicine has the ability to calm everything down when the body is mounting an exaggerated response to the virus.”

    Professor van Haren said he hoped the drug’s efficacy could be proven quickly, saying it could be used widely within months if early results held up – easing the strain on hospitals by reducing the number of patients needing to be admitted to intensive care units.

    “Most COVID experts agree that vaccination alone is not going to stop the pandemic. This could really assist in poorer countries where vaccination is challenging and we think it could help frontline workers who could use it as a preventative measure,” he said.

    Professor van Haren said the team was now collecting more evidence that inhaled heparin worked and that “once we have this evidence, heparin via inhalation, could be an option to treat COVID-19 patients, everywhere, within months”.

    Heparin, which is normally administered via injection, is a blood thinner used to treat and prevent blood clots across the world and is widely available.
     
    #945     Jan 19, 2022
  6. They

    They

    Most American's are overweight. America needs to work on this as it leads to most all comorbidities/underlying conditions.

    HMO's are mostly for profit industries that like to function at high occupancy rates, just like hotels. https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/
    I find it highly doubtful that a non-vaccinated person is repeatedly catching Covid. There might be a few cases amongst the immunocompromised, but not healthy individuals. Natural immunity has been proven to be broad spectrum and long lasting.

    Non-existent hospital beds seems to be more fear-porn than reality. If America got its head out of its ass and came up with an early outpatient treatment protocol like other countries have done it would also alleviate this issue, but I guess hospitals don't get a big payday with that strategy. Anyway, here is some accurate info in this regard vs the one off stories that seem to be picked up and regurgitated as clickbait. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend

    For a Government or anyone to view a healthy non-vaccinated individual as a threat to society is foolish and is anti-science.

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    #946     Jan 19, 2022
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  7. Baron

    Baron ET Founder

    On the front page of the WSJ this morning and straight from the CDC:

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    #947     Jan 20, 2022
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  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Of course, America has a high Obesity Prevalence Rating...we've been arguing that point since the Pandemic started...arguing with the Natural Immunity folks that wanted to let Covid RIP through society during the original pathogenic Covid virus but they backtracked when they saw the excessive-high deaths in those countries that did just that...let it RIP.

    The backtracking occurred after the excessive-high deaths in which they said protect just the elderly but let everyone live their life. The problem...many were not elderly and wanted to live their life...they have an obesity problem, 1/3 have underlying medical conditions in which most of these people believe "they're healthy" and many did not consider themself to have a co-morbidity that can be exploited by a Covid illness.

    Simply, you don't let Covid RIP through an unhealthy society unless the government is OK with possibly killing off about 1/3 of the population and over flowing the hospitals that they're treating patients in parking lots and burning the dead in vacant lots like India had to do.
    • The science does show in fact that reinfections do occur more often than you think as I've posted about Covid lineages involving each Variant of Concern in which the same variant with different lineages (sub-group) can (has) infected the same person regardless if the person is immuno-compromise, underlying medical condition or is healthy.
    It's only becoming more common because we now have better documentation that we didn't have in 2020. Simply, most of the reinfections have occurred in 2021 although rare but increasing.

    As stated many times over the recent months...vaccination plus a breakthrough infection or recovery from a prior Covid infection and then vaccinated = Super Immunity.

    Yet, I also believe someone that has recovered from a prior Covid infection should be treated the same as a person that's been vaccinated but its problematic for those that's been infected multiple times in a one year duration as in +2 or more infections...its a person that has other health issues that they may not know about.
    • People that get Covid multiple times should volunteer for genomic sequencing the help scientists better understand possible re-infections because there's still not enough documentation about it. It should also alert them that there's a problem with their immune system because it should have strengthened after each infection instead of them getting infected again.
    Strangely, now that we have Omicron that's less pathogenic (mainly causes mild illness in most individuals) but more transmissible, the Natural Immunity folks are getting what they want...seeing a Covid variant spreading through society.
    • The problem, is that they can't control the speed of the spread and that's the reason why many hospitals are near capacity or over-capacity along with the fact that Omicron showed up when our healthcare system again didn't have the beds nor enough medical personnel. It's the reason why, once again, hospitals are canceling elective surgeries until they think Omicron has peaked.
    Heck, even states public health agencies and the White House couldn't keep up with the spread of Omicron...it moved too damn fast.

    I don't get my hospital capacity news from the media...I get it from my two brothers, sister, and girlfriend who all work in the medical field. In addition, I myself have used a hospital several times during this Pandemic or seen the videos shared amongst medical personnel. I then get confirmation about the hospital capacity issues in other states and provinces from the media news.

    As for governments that view anti-vaccine people as a threat...I'm speaking specifically of those people that are causing capacity problems in the hospitals and those causing problems in other areas outside of a hospital. Thus, I'm not talking about the person that's infected with a mild Covid illness and staying home to quarantine for a few days.
    • It has nothing to do with science... it's about human decency.
    For example, I'm talking about anti-vaccine people posting misinformation / disinformation online and forums that allow such, people protesting at the doors of hospitals to prevent emergency medical care to others trying to enter a hospital, intentional attacking those that have made it a personal choice to be vaccinated, making threats to children that have Parents that allowed their child to be vaccinated (a decision between parent and child)...so many other issues...these are the governments that have become more aggressive towards the anti-vaccine folks that include trying the use mandates and health-pass.

    I saw all the above aggressiveness BEFORE the mandates including personally witnessing it myself (e.g. large crowds protesting at hospitals and yelling at severely ill patients, protestors threatening children that show up to school wearing a face mask because the protestor believes it's going to scare/harm other children).

    Funny story, I recognize an angry individual protesting outside of a hospital. It was someone that I knew from many years ago that had cancer...she lost all of her hair from radiation/chemotherapy and she wore a face mask to protect herself from others. Today, she's now protesting face mask wear. :(
    • My point, is if people truly believe it's a personal choice...why do they have a problem with those that exercise that right to wear a face mask and/or to get vaccinated ?
    The above question I've asked a few times before any mandates or talk of mandates.

    Look at this ET forum, I clearly remember the above issues and posted about it prior to any mandates that if people that choose to follow the public health guidelines are going to be harassed or threatened with physical harm by Covidiot members...

    Mandates will soon follow in the world outside of a trading forum and they then did in fact follow. We even had a few ET members fall into that cloud of making the same threats...most are now gone because they violated the terms of use policy here at the forum after they popped up on the radar prior to the mandates.

    All of my siblings were vaccinated to protect those they treated, protect their families and themself. In addition, my siblings have volunteered for Covid clinical trials because they believe in the science of Covid, Vaccines, Face Mask Wear and are very schooled in it than the general public.

    I often posted a saying here at the forum but not so much lately because the damage is now done...

    We Reap What We Sow (You Reap What You Sow).

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    #948     Jan 20, 2022
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  9. easymon1

    easymon1

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    #949     Jan 20, 2022
  10. They

    They

     
    #950     Jan 21, 2022