Willing to Pay $$$ for your Options Knowledge

Discussion in 'Options' started by hiprotrading, May 16, 2025.

  1. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    I understood that 50cents (the guy buying VIX DOTM calls for 50cents) bet more on an increase in IV than price. A small increase in IV would greatly impact the tails of the distribution. He's trading the implied volatility of implied volatility (VIX).

    However Vega is greater ATM.

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    Not sure but Vega is about 1 (it's dynamic & nonlinear) and IV would needs to 1.5x for the option to double in value (everything else being equal (which isn't true)).
     
    Last edited: May 19, 2025
    #41     May 19, 2025
  2. spy

    spy

    I'm guessing everyone's heard this one:

    Two economists are walking in a forest when they Come across a pile of shit.

    The first economist says to the other "Ill pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.

    They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says "l pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit." The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.

    Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, "You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. can't help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing." "That's not true", responded the second economist. "We increased the GDP by $200!"
     
    #42     May 19, 2025
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  3. spy

    spy

    China's Pony AI Robotaxi Revenue Jumps 200%, Eyes 1,000-Vehicle Fleet...

    will this make Sekiyo some extra moola?
     
    #43     May 20, 2025
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  4. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

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    #44     May 20, 2025
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  5. spy

    spy

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    Just hold on loosely
    But don't let go
    If you cling too tightly
    You're gonna lose control
     
    Last edited: May 20, 2025
    #45     May 20, 2025
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  6. spy

    spy

    It's not looking good Sekiyo :(

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    #46     May 21, 2025
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  7. Sekiyo

    Sekiyo

    That's okay, still have 7 days to go.
     
    #47     May 21, 2025
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  8. spy

    spy

    Go Sekiyo, go!

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    #48     May 21, 2025
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  9. Okay, so after extra push ups I came back with some clarity.

    Things that do not work;
    • Put Spreads - Because the risk / reward is bad and I can't wait for it to increase by price going closer.
    • Diagonals - cuts the profit from both sides, basically Condor.
    • Event contracts - I don't see them any better than Put Spreads, as R:R is pretty close. Can't take any trades that's 20 points away (SPX).
    • 1DTE / 2DTE don't work as they don't expire at the end of the day, don't see much of a difference if I just BUY Call or Put.
    Stuff that might work, but I don't want to use it;
    • Collar
    So how that would look like.
    1. NY session opened, price triggered the trade underlying being 5000.
    2. I sold 5050 naked CALL.
    3. Price is going against me (My hedge trigger is the Premium collect - fees) and hedge is triggered somewhere around 5025 and I BUY 5000 PUT + opening required amount of LONG position or buying the underlying.
    • If the price is going to stay below 5025 result would be Call +1, Put -1, LONG +1 = +1 (Downside capped, but if the price stays below the hedge price I get 1R, upside is also caped as it was with naked option)
    • If the price is going to go above 5025 result would be Call -2, Put +1, LONG -1 = -2 (-2 because this position until the hedge kicked had -1R and 1R for me is Premium received from selling naked option. Also the LONG went into the negative and that's another -1)
    So, ultimately it is 1:2 R/R. Would be enough for me, but there is naked option sold. That's a risk. I would code the algo and automate whole hedging process, but we know the markets, sudden spikes etc. Machine could not work properly and there is quite a sum required for the margin and so on.

    This is the only working solution I have grasped so far, but it still caries a huge risk that I want to avoid. Correct me if I missing something, it's quite complex thing.

    Maybe that I explained more in detail about the specifics anyone came with idea?

    Cheers
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2025
    #49     May 22, 2025
  10. 0DTE Earns 3X risk, down. Index.

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    Earn 4-5X risk up, index (SPX in both). Both are 0DTE.

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    #50     May 22, 2025
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