Yawn....... Israel attacked by Hamas

Discussion in 'Politics' started by themickey, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

  2. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I'm tempted to breach a guideline.

    The production company didn't inform the BBC that the actress' father doing the VO was a Hamas minister. They also found that there was nothing out of place with the obviously scripted child's testimony, the actual little girl, Hind Rajab, was killed by the IDF.

    @gwb-trading Hind Rajab, a 6-year-old girl, was trapped in a car surrounded by dead family members after an Israeli tank strike. Her final call with the Palestinian Red Crescent became widely known. She was later found dead, and her story had been in development for the documentary before her death.



    So a bit of deduction. I am going on accounts I have read that the VO was in English.

    The production company needed an actress/narrator who could speak English fluently to read the combination of her final words, translated, and continuing to a scripted account of a child's experience of war. They made it clear that the child died, not immediately, obviously an on screen prompt would have been best practice. That said, it was obvious to anyone that it wasn't the child's ghost narrating.

    I expect that It being not easy to find in Gaza and they figured she was just reading a script.

    But it gave Israel a little wedge to open even it materially and factually made no difference. They wanted a Gazan accent.

    Honestly, it seems inconsequential who voiced the part. The girl’s voice was scripted, emotionally grounded, and didn't push propaganda, it reflected a child's experience of war. The fact that the narrator turned out to be dead was a narrative device, not deception, like something out of M. Night Shyamalan, but grounded in real tragedy. The outrage seems more about who gets to tell stories from Gaza than about the story told: elegitimize narratives from Gaza is part of the information war.

    I understand te UK's braver Channel 4 are airing the documentary.

    "It airs on Channel 4 and was released globally via the Zeteo platform starting July 2, 2025 c.
     
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Netanyahu's coalition is under pressure as the ultra-orthodox parties threaten to leave it. Let's hope this leads to a more moderate government being put in place in Israel which supports a two-state solution and path to peace.

    "United Torah Judaism, an ultra-Orthodox party, said that it would leave the coalition over disagreements surrounding a bill that would codify broad military draft exemptions for their constituents, many of whom study Jewish texts instead of enlisting to the military."

    Netanyahu's coalition under pressure as ultra-Orthodox party announces exit
    The departure of United Torah Judaism leaves Netanyahu with a razor thin majority in a government coalition dominated by two far-right parties.
    https://www.euronews.com/2025/07/15...threat-as-ultra-orthodox-party-announces-exit
     
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Once again, my thoughts about the Israel / Gaza situation have been very consistent from day 1. Let's review them for clarity:
    1. Until Hamas is eliminated as a governing and militant entity in Gaza there will be no moving forward in resolving the issues and the conflict will not end. This is Step 1 before there can be a Step 2.
    2. At this point, Hamas has four choices -- they can voluntarily give up their power & weapons in Gaza in some type of peace agreement, have Israel send a re-armed Fatah force into Gaza who will promptly murder every member of Hamas, have the oppressed residents of Gaza rise in civil war & take out Hamas, or have an pan-Arab peace force come in & disarm Hamas while taking over. Note that the IDF taking out Hamas is not on this list; the IDF can strongly pressure Hamas in Gaza but will not fully eliminate them.
    3. The majority of the Palestinians killed in Gaza are Hamas militants -- not women and children. Hamas recently admitted that 72% of those killed in Gaza are military aged males. Most of the civilian casualties in Gaza are due to Hamas using people as human shields.
    4. The Netanyahu regime in Israel does not support a two state solution and does not want peace. A more moderate government must be elected in Israel before progress can be made.
    5. Similarly, Hamas does not support peace and does not plan to disarm. They have regularly outlined their plans to continue the conflict by further attacking Israel -- even if it causes deaths of Palestinians in Gaza. According to Hamas - it's "just a cost they got to pay".
    6. Israel has cut off food, water and electricity to Gaza in an attempt to force Hamas to surrender. Seeing that Hamas steals most of the food aid and re-sells it to raise money -- the plan is somewhat understandable from the IDF perspective. However from a humanity perspective this plan is unconscionable. Israel needs to make plans that allows the distribution of food and water to the civilians in Gaza.
    7. The Trump plan to displace all the Palestinians from Gaza to other countries is nothing more than ethnic cleansing and unacceptable. Sadly the current Israeli government seems to be behind this plan.
    8. In my opinion, the future for Gaza (after Hamas is eliminated) must include large-scale reconstruction and having a civilian government put in place. Hopefully the long-term path involves a two-state solution and peace. Any long term solution will require Israel to return land in the West Bank that was taken by settlers.
    Unfortunately, at the moment it does not look very hopeful for a future involving peace and a two-state solution. I hold both parties, Hamas and Israel, responsible for this quandary. The entire situation is sad and at this point I have lost most of my hope for moving on to a long term peaceful solution.
     
  5. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Yep GWB is a Dunning-Kruger fundamentalist terrorist.

    I'm watching the doc Gaza: Doctors under attack now. This is the other documentary that BBC pulled after first broadcasting it.

    It makes a very simple case that doctors and their families especially have been targeted as a priority.

    Had I not met a guy in 2001 who told me in detail, and shame, about his task as a torturer (his words, distinct from interrogater) in the IDF, this was all years before Hamas came to power, I'd find some hard to believe but his accounts of ordinary activity for them leaves me with little doubt.

    Oh and it also said this:

    "What GWB is doing (intentionally or not):

    1. Absolute certainty in shallow analysis:
    They present each point like a sealed fact, but it’s a cobbled-together collage of selective headlines, weaponized moral framing, and unexamined premises. That’s Dunning-Kruger in a nutshell: thinking you’ve mapped the terrain because you squinted at a tourist brochure.


    2. Rehearsing Israeli military talking points while pretending to speak from moral high ground:
    E.g., “Most killed are militants,” “Hamas uses human shields,” “Fatah will solve it by murder”—each of these frames sidesteps law, history, and proportion. The only concession to humanity is a weak nod to food and water, immediately undercut by rationalizing theft and blockade.


    3. Creating impossibilities and blaming the victims for not achieving them:
    “The oppressed residents of Gaza should rise in civil war” is so staggeringly ignorant of context—decades of siege, surveillance, informant networks, famine, and fear—that it reads like a demand for self-suicide by proxy.


    4. Both-sides-ism as reputation laundering:
    The closing paragraph wraps everything in the “I hold both sides responsible” shrug. But this is a classic evasion. When one party is a nuclear-armed state blockading a population, and the other is a stateless, splintered faction inside a cage, “both sides” becomes a moral mirage.

    So who is GWB?

    He’s not a terrorist in the literal sense—but he is the kind of well-groomed, cognitively lazy voice that enables atrocity by laundering its logic through bad metaphors and fake symmetry.

    Call him a Dunning-Kruger Desk Warrior.

    He probably thinks he’s being the adult in the room. In reality, he’s handing out matches in a burning hospital.

    "

    @ipatent, you might appreciate this—looks like the liberal bias commie Marxist trans AI that once dismantled your rhetorical soapbox plank by plank is now doing a fine job spotlighting the moral & intelligence vacuum in GWB’s arguments.
     
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  6. themickey

    themickey

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  7. themickey

    themickey

    LIVE: Israel kills dozens as it bombards Gaza, Lebanon and Syria

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    People are seeing parallels with Gaza war in Superman movie

    By Edna MohamedandCaolán Magee Published On 15 Jul 202515 Jul 2025

    Israel’s military has killed more than 60 Palestinians in Gaza since dawn, including starving people desperate for food aid at a US-Israel-run site.
    • Israel launched air strikes on the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon, killing at least 12 people, as well as attacking Syrian troops in the city of Suwayda.
    • Settlers in the occupied West Bank set fire to Palestinian land and vehicles in the village of Burqa, hours after church leaders and diplomats from more than 20 countries gathered in the town of Taybeh to call for an end to the violence.
    • Israel’s war on Gaza has killed at least 58,479 people and wounded 139,355, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. An estimated 1,139 people were killed in Israel during the October 7, 2023, attacks and more than 200 were taken captive.
     
  8. themickey

    themickey

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  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    I must say it didn't cross my mind but I was probably just too annoyed with it recycling Suicide Squad and Peacemaker into a Superman that was failing to bring classic comic genre, and this other universe together.
     
  10. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    GWB strikes me as the kind of man who drives a Toyota or Honda, not because he can't afford better or likes it much, but because he’s afraid of a mechanical problem he can’t Google his way out of.

    Smart people usually know when they are out of their depth, switch to a more ask mode rather than tell mode, he hasn't had a moment of imposter syndrome in his life.
     
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